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Post  Red Wolf Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:35 am

So, former porn star Sasha Grey reads to children, the school tries to cover it up. Then there comes a backlash from the 'morally minded' about it. She says she's not going to quit.

She read a children's book! It's not like she showed them her highlight reel and then encouraged them to get into the business. I really don't see the big deal about it. If the kids are curious about what she does for a living, she's a mainstream actor nowdays. And while I don't have kids, I would be fine with her reading to my nephews. There's worse things for children to know about than sex anyway.

What do the parents of the forum think about this?

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Post  particle_person Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:58 am

I'm no parent, but I generally have problems with people who try to link sex to morality in some kind of direct way. In this case, it's going even further than that-- somehow she has become "tainted" by being part of that world and they want to save the children from the sex cooties.
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Post  dinahmoe Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:13 am

I'm not a parent, but I am a proud godmother. She seems lovely, and I love that she is dedicated to her cause. The kids have no idea what she has done in the past. Let her be the fun book-reading lady! Lord knows we need more of those.
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Post  The Dude Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:46 am

Every politician has a photo op doing the same thing...wait for it...who's fucked more people?
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Post  Kiran Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:32 am

Unless she was doing a dramatic reading of the script for Debbie Does Dallas I really do not get the issue. I am not a parent, though I am an aunt and an ex nanny, but those kids had no idea about her past, I highly doubt she told them, so to them as its been said she was just the nice book lady.

Shes also retired from porn. Making the point even more moot.
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Post  laddical Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:40 am

What the hell is the problem? What if she had a child in that class? Not that it's necessary for someone to have a child to be someone who likes to volunteer to help children. But I do most of my volunteering for my daughters' classes and even though it's a Catholic school I think I would be in a red rage if I was told I couldn't do it because some other parents were uncomfortable with a job I had a few years ago. Particularly because the only reason these kids are even going to know about Ms. Grey's "sordid" past is because the *other* adults made a stink about it.

So frustrating.
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Post  The Dude Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:15 am

Maybe if she wore a scarlet A on her blouse.

Of course the controversy will make the kids aware of her old job more than just not giving a damn.
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Post  katesti Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:49 am

laddical wrote:What the hell is the problem? What if she had a child in that class? Not that it's necessary for someone to have a child to be someone who likes to volunteer to help children. But I do most of my volunteering for my daughters' classes and even though it's a Catholic school I think I would be in a red rage if I was told I couldn't do it because some other parents were uncomfortable with a job I had a few years ago. Particularly because the only reason these kids are even going to know about Ms. Grey's "sordid" past is because the *other* adults made a stink about it.

So frustrating.

This. I am a parent, and so much This. People are ridiculous.

Also, I love this from her statement:
I am an actor. I am an artist. I am a daughter. I am a sister. I am a partner. I have a past that some people may not agree with, but it does not define who I am.

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Post  The Dude Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:04 am

Her previous career probably had more artistic merit and societal value than Entourage. Particularly the later seasons.
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Post  Auroura76 Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:45 pm

I'm not a parent, and I can't refute the points you guys have made. But yes, it would make me uncomfortable.

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Post  Kiran Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:58 pm

It would make me uncomfortable if she was there as a porn star. But she is retired and seems to have only been there as a volunteer reader. What about if she has children of her own. Can she not volunteer at their school because people have a problem with her past?

I don't know I understand the discomfort but I don't think its fair to allow that discomfort to make a decision in this case.
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Post  Cutebutpsycho Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:40 am

I think for me it's a matter of whether or not she was there in a "porn star" capacity. She wasn't. She was another person reading to the kids and that's fine by me.

Especially since the kids would have no clue. The parents did and they're freaking out because they get the connotation. My view? She was off duty and there as a volunteer, reading a kids' book. Whatever.
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Post  Binky Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:32 am

My question is: was she there because she wanted to read to kids or because she wanted the attention of being a former porn star who might get her cooties on kids?

I don't have a moral problem with it, but I smell attention-seeking.
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Post  Kiran Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:45 am

She didn't really publicize it until the scandal broke and apparently shes been working with Read for America for a while.
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Post  particle_person Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:46 am

When we were little, my parents used to distinguish between the "good kind" of attention seeking (getting good grades, etc.) and the "bad kind" (being rude to parents, mainly). Surely reading to kids counts as the good kind, even if it is attention seeking?
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Post  The Dude Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:30 am

She's never been a publicity hound like Mary Carrey
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Post  Poubelle Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:19 pm

I think the problem is if any kids ask who she is (which, yeah, I'm pretty sure they will), that's not a conversation all parents are ready/want to have with their kids, or should have to have with their six or seven-year-old. That's not something I'd like any child of mine talking about on the playground (and yeah, I'm pretty sure there's going to be at least one kid who DOES know/find out she did porn, and that's not something I see any elementary-schooler keeping to themselves. You'd only need an older sibling who overshares for pretty much everyone to find out). And the kind of porn she does is definitely something I'd like to shield my kid from as long as possible, particularly if they're still in the first friggin' grade. Can you imagine how awful the teasing/bullying would be if there's a little girl in that class who kind of looks like her? Or who other kids just didn't like?

If she really didn't want attention for it, couldn't she have read to them without using her porn name? Problem solved. (Unless it was supposed to be some kind "celebrities read to kids" thing, which makes it even worse, honestly. There are kid-friendly celebrities. It's not even solely the porn aspect. I wouldn't want, say, Lars von Trier reading to my kid either.)
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Post  Swarley Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:29 pm

I think the problem is if any kids ask who she is (which, yeah, I'm pretty sure they will), that's not a conversation all parents are ready/want to have with their kids, or should have to have with their six or seven-year-old.

They might ask. It doesn't mean you have to tell them the truth. Make something up. Tell them you don't know. I feel like being honest isn't the only option in that situation and I wouldn't think less of a parent for lying to their children about a porn star's occupation. Assuming they care more than "She's so and so's mom". Because really? Does a six year old really care about a person's job?

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Post  biakbiak Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:47 pm

the problem is if any kids ask who she is (which, yeah, I'm pretty sure they will), that's not a conversation all parents are ready/want to have with their kids, or should have to have with their six or seven-year-old

She would tell them she is an actress. Which she is and she is in non-porn movies.

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Post  Kiran Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:56 pm

Exactly. And shes retired, like you said. She hasn't done porn in apparently two years. I think that needs to be taken into consideration also.
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Post  Poubelle Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:05 am

I'm sorry, but they're six, not stupid. Kids tend to be naturally inquisitive, most especially when adults get cagey. You tell them she's an actress, they're going to know what she acts in. So they're grown-up movies? Well, why are they grown-up movies? Why are they inappropriate for kids? If what she does is so wrong for kids, why did she come to a school to read? A parent can refuse to answer, but that just means the kid is going to start asking around elsewhere. (And I highly doubt the kids don't know about a controversy at their own school, so I don't think the "she's an actress" answer is going to suffice. Why would people get upset about an actress?) And I still refuse to believe that no kid at that elementary school knows/found out what she's actually famous for, and would sit on that information. That's the kind of rumor that's going to spread like wildfire, and also probably get exaggerated into something more extreme.

I mean, when I was that age, plenty of my peers seemed to be quite aware of all kinds of things we weren't supposed to know about, and we barely even had the internet back then (and if you did, it was slow dial-up that charged by how long you were on).
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Post  biakbiak Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:15 am

You tell them she's an actress, they're going to know what she acts in.

How on earth would they know? And again, she wouldn't be talking about her porn movies, because she doesn't do that anymore and she has mainstream credits of things six year olds aren't going to be interested in seeing anyway, since I doubt they are huge Steven Soderbergh or Entourage fans.

This didn't come up because six year olds went home and asked their parents if they could rent some Sasha Grey films, it came up because she tweeted about it.
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Post  Jasmine Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:04 am

Poubelle wrote:I'm sorry, but they're six, not stupid. Kids tend to be naturally inquisitive, most especially when adults get cagey. You tell them she's an actress, they're going to know what she acts in. So they're grown-up movies? Well, why are they grown-up movies? Why are they inappropriate for kids? If what she does is so wrong for kids, why did she come to a school to read? A parent can refuse to answer, but that just means the kid is going to start asking around elsewhere. (And I highly doubt the kids don't know about a controversy at their own school, so I don't think the "she's an actress" answer is going to suffice. Why would people get upset about an actress?) And I still refuse to believe that no kid at that elementary school knows/found out what she's actually famous for, and would sit on that information. That's the kind of rumor that's going to spread like wildfire, and also probably get exaggerated into something more extreme.

I mean, when I was that age, plenty of my peers seemed to be quite aware of all kinds of things we weren't supposed to know about, and we barely even had the internet back then (and if you did, it was slow dial-up that charged by how long you were on).

This is not a conversation any six year old would have. 14 year old, maybe, but no, a six year old wouldn't even ask who she was. And if someone told a six year old that she was an actress, they would not care one bit unless she was in the new Muppet movie, or had been on Sesame Street. And six year olds have no idea what controversy was. Also, the controversy was only caused by people making a fuss about it, so really if people didn't want their kids to know about her, they shouldn't have made a big fuss about it.

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Post  Poubelle Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:15 pm

I guess all the kids I know must be exceptionally curious. Younger kids, ime, tend to be worse about not shutting up with the questions if they don't get a satisfactory answer than teenagers (since teens are a lot more self-sufficient about finding stuff out).

I don't think this the Worst Thing Evar, but I do think it's perfectly for valid for parents to be concerned, and I think it's a catch-22 to say "well, if you hadn't gotten upset, your kids wouldn't know!" So parents should just accept everything their schools does?

And who at the school was foolish enough not to see that this might be an issue? Why did she have to use the name "Sasha Grey"? Why the hell do we need volunteers to read to kids anyhow, don't their teachers do that already? (If you really wanted to encourage kids to read/get excited about reading, why not let the kids themselves volunteer to read to the rest of the class?) It honestly seems like a really pointless form of do-gooding. (Unless they're trying to get kids excited about reading by having celebrities do it... in which case, why such an adult celebrity? Wouldn't a local sports star or somebody who makes movies they can actually watch make better sense?)
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Post  queenofdenile Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:38 pm

Pointless? To have a guest speaker come to read to kids?

I...what?
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