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Post  BreezyK on Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:57 pm

JUST finished A Dance with Dragons and I'm really missing SF 3.0, so that I can read about what everyone else thought!

First and foremost,
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Jon's not dead is he?


Second,
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I can't be the only one who is really BORED by Arya's storyline now, can I?

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Ugh, the Meereenese knot, I can't even. Why not just taking the effing ships and go to Westeros when it was suggested?


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Post  laurelin_kit on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:04 pm

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"When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone."
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Post  NewYorkStranger on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:29 pm

One of my friends at work decided to read these books, but she's only about half-way through GoT and has NO idea what's coming. It's really hard to bite my tongue.

Anyway, as for DwD
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I was initially SO MAD about Jon. I slammed the book shut when I finished that chapter. But then, like Laurelin_kit pointed out, it now seems really likely that he is Azor Ahai.

Also, I was horrified by
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the Reek/Theon storyline. Holy shit. I never thought I'd feel bad for Theon. I'm actually really interested in seeing how his story plays out.
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Post  ulkis on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:42 pm

Breezy, I've been bored with Arya's storyline since book 2. Like the character, but running around endlessly in circles in the woods is boring. And I skipped book 4 so I can't speak to that, but if it was anything like her one chapter in Dance it probably would have bored me as well.

Also agree about the whole Mereneese Knot thing or however it's spelled.
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I feel like he's trying to make it all unpredictable and that's his problem. Dude, Martin, predictability is fine as long as it's good and sense-making!

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Post  laurelin_kit on Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:53 pm

ulkis wrote:Breezy, I've been bored with Arya's storyline since book 2. Like the character, but running around endlessly in circles in the woods is boring. And I skipped book 4 so I can't speak to that, but if it was anything like her one chapter in Dance it probably would have bored me as well.

Also agree about the whole Mereneese Knot thing or however it's spelled.
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I feel like he's trying to make it all unpredictable and that's his problem. Dude, Martin, predictability is fine as long as it's good and sense-making!

Why did you skip AFFC? I loved it.
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Post  ulkis on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:03 pm

I do like this series, but I don't love it, so when I found out AFFC didn't really include any of the characters I was invested in, I didn't feel like reading the whole thing. :) I did skim through some of it.

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Post  tothemax on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:27 pm

I'm on AFFC now and it is really jarring to have a lot of new characters without the anchors of some of the old ones. Each book introduces ten quillion new characters anyway, but it's always been helpful to have familiar characters to go back to. I find I just don't care about most of the new people, especially since
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they'll all probably die anyway. (I realize that's hardly a spoiler at this point, but just in case.)


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Post  queenofdenile on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:31 pm

I liked AffC the first time I read it, but it was a bit of a slog to get through the second time.
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Post  BreezyK on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:45 pm

Yes, I didn't care for AFFC. I've read all the books this year, starting in June, so it wasn't like I had a freaking ELEVEN year wait to find out what was up with Jon Snow, Dany or Tyrion, but one of the things that I really liked about the first 3 books was that with the change in location between Westeros, Over the Sea and the Wall, you really got to split up the book quite a bit. I missed the outside of Westeros storylines while reading AFFC and the Westeros storylines while reading ADWD.


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Post  laurelin_kit on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:55 pm

I was the opposite, actually. I didn't care about it (apart from the two Sansa chapters) the first time around but after a second look I really love it. So much Dorne! Arianne Martell is one of my favorites. And I think everything going on with the
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Post  queenofdenile on Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:01 pm

ADWD didn't frustrate me as much in that regard because more of my favorite characters were in the spotlight again, but if I had to choose, I would still edit about 200 pages from that book before I would touch AFfC. There were some chapters in ADWD that just felt entirely unnecessary, even some from characters I loved, while in AFfC, there were chapters I didn't particularly like but still thought they served a better purpose.

Also, does anyone at all care about the Iron Islands, other than Asha and Theon? Anyone? I'd like to know because I can't stand those dour people and I don't enjoy that plot at all.
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Post  laurelin_kit on Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:05 pm

If you're talking about Tyrion in ADWD, ugh, yes, way too much.

I kind of care about the Iron Islands in that someone pointed out to me that
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it hints that Euron abused Victarion and now I want to know if that's correct, and I always enjoy Asha being sassy and insane. But I kind of wish I could see how they fit into the big picture a little better.
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Post  BreezyK on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:21 pm

I think someone involved with the tv show thinks that the Iron Islands are a big deal too, because they keep referring to 2 wars in the past 17 years - meaning that Balon Greyjoy's rebellion would have been considered a war (I think).

Laurelin_kit, I thought
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it was fairly clear the Euron and Victarion had a very toxic relationship - Euron impregnated V's wife and then made V kill her for infidelity, right? So actual physical abuse wouldn't make me very surprised.

Do any of you think that the series will really end in the next two books?

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Post  blixie on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:36 pm

Like the character, but running around endlessly in circles in the woods is boring.

I love everything about Arya's story in ACOK and ASOS, namely her relationship with Gendry. Yeah, I'm an Arya/Gendry shipper. Yes I realize she's 10. No, I do not care.

I'm in the group who liked AFfC, if I had waited years for it, I probably wouldn't view it as fondly, but to me I didn't perceive it as hugely disappointing or anything. ADWD though was much more frustrating, like it was Martin's "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" moment. As Buffy would say Jump to the Chase!

At this point though my favoritest character is Davos, he is just so damn AWESOME and heartbreaking, and smart, and brave, and loyal and I swear if Martin doesn't let him finish his story happy I will RIOT.

Also would anyone be interested in splitting this into ASOIF (SPOILERS) thread and general GRRM thread?

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Post  laurelin_kit on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:43 pm

BreezyK wrote:
Laurelin_kit, I thought
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it was fairly clear the Euron and Victarion had a very toxic relationship - Euron impregnated V's wife and then made V kill her for infidelity, right? So actual physical abuse wouldn't make me very surprised.

Shit, I meant Aeron Damphair. Clearly I don't love the salty bastards enough to keep their names straight. Victarion is hilariously awful though.
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Post  tothemax on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:56 pm

OMG, the Iron Islanders are the worst. I don't care about the iron price or the Drowned God or the Storm God or their salt wives or their nuncles or anything at all about them. They are so boring.

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Post  NewYorkStranger on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:57 pm

blixie wrote:At this point though my favoritest character is Davos, he is just so damn AWESOME and heartbreaking, and smart, and brave, and loyal and I swear if Martin doesn't let him finish his story happy I will RIOT.

Initially, I was not a huge fan of Davos, but by ADWD I realized that I actually loved him and I NEED to know what happens to him next!
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Post  laurelin_kit on Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:00 pm

tothemax wrote:OMG, the Iron Islanders are the worst. I don't care about the iron price or the Drowned God or the Storm God or their salt wives or their nuncles or anything at all about them. They are so boring.

Someone on tumblr said they become more entertaining if you replace all mentions of "Seastone Chair" with "Fish n Chips Chair."
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Post  queenofdenile on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:24 pm

I would definitely be up for a SPOILERS thread, given that the show is becoming more popular and more folks are picking up the books.

Also, blix, I continue to love your love for Davos, because I know plenty of people who like him but not many who have him as a favorite, and he deserves to be more people's favorite. He's so nice.
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Post  Unlucky Bear on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:25 pm

I love him too. I feel like there has to be at least one character who doesn't at least kind of suck in these novels.
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Post  bbridges on Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:05 am

Count me among the Davos lovers. I just want him to be safe with his family is that too much to ask? (In these books probably yes.)

I actually started to almost like
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Post  ActonBell on Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:43 pm

I am really enjoying these books BUT because they are so long it has become rough going, because all of the other books I want to read are calling out to me. I feel like I should read them consecutively, though.
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Post  BreezyK on Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:52 pm

ActonBell which book are you on now? I read the first three fairly quickly because I had to know what happened, but then took a break before starting AFFC (which I knew would not feature all the characters that I loved). I read AFFC and ADWD right after each other because that's when they became available from the library. I feel there's a LOT of plot that happens in the first 3, less so in the last 2.

Also, I would be happy to see the threads split up, I was just mimicking what I remembered from SF 3.0. Would one be spoiler free?

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Post  ActonBell on Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:16 pm

I am right at the beginning of AFFC.
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Post  ulkis on Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:22 pm

Like the character, but running around endlessly in circles in the woods is boring.

I love everything about Arya's story in ACOK and ASOS, namely her relationship with Gendry. Yeah, I'm an Arya/Gendry shipper. Yes I realize she's 10. No, I do not care.

Don't Gendry and Arya seperate late in book 2/early in book 3? I like them too actually . . . just I'd like them better if there was less wandering around in the woods. :) I wish they hadn't cast the guy so old in the show.

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