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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  tothemax on Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:33 pm

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I wish they hadn't cast the guy so old in the show.
He's total eye candy, though, so it's all good.

ActonBell, I'm in the middle of AFFC having read the previous one right after the other, and I say take a break now. I wish I had done that before starting AFFC but now that I'm so far in, it seems silly to stop. I haven't bought ADOF yet, so I'll probably take a break before reading it.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  BreezyK on Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:26 pm

Link to GRRM thread on SF 3.0

It is sad to read the beginning of that thread from like 2006 and see how many times people got SO PSYCHED for ADWD to come out, even though after everybody read it, it is AWESOME!

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So after reading that thread, I realized that it never even occurred to me that the story Davos heard was the truth about Jon's parentage. I so fully believe that R+L=J that I need serious proof otherwise before I'll go in another direction. If J is a Targaryen, then there are THREE Targaryens now and it's a THREE headed dragon that is prophesied, right?


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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  Red Wolf on Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:49 pm

BreezyK I know what you mean. As much as I think that story is funny, I really don't think it's the truth.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  ulkis on Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:52 pm

BreezyK, re: your spoiler

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i don't know about whether the fisherwoman story is true, but I doubt that the new guy is actually the prince.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  BreezyK on Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:00 pm

Really? Then what is the point of that character's introduction?

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I do wonder how anyone would be able to verify that anybody is who they say they are, especially since practically all the people involved in killing the Targaryen babies are now dead. And like even if R+L=J, who could verify this? I suppose that's where the dragon/magic stuff will come into play

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  ulkis on Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:07 pm

I have no idea. :) A distraction? But it just seems way too convenient.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  blixie on Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:56 pm

Really? Then what is the point of that character's introduction?

Heh, I will answer that in the newly created ASOIF (Spoilers) thread!

I think we people can still discuss the series here, as well as his other works, w/ hidden text as appropriate, that way folks mid-series can still have a safe place to talk about their individual novel thoughts.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  tothemax on Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:13 pm

I've finished AFFC and I am shocked at how much I disliked it. Like some, I started skipping large chunks because I just wanted the damn thing to be done already. And then, AND THEN, that stupid "epilogue" about the Wall and ADWD, OMG, I wanted to throw my Kindle at a wall. Another book filled with characters that I don't give two shits about who will likely die for no reason other than they can? I think I'll wait until the ADWD ebook is available for lending at the library.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  BreezyK on Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Yes, that note at the end was just BEYOND! I can't even imagine reading that and then waiting for 6 years for him to come out with the next book!

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Post  ulkis on Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:45 pm

Another book filled with characters that I don't give two shits about who will likely die for no reason other than they can?

I think there were only two new characters in ADWD (well, including ones introduced in AFFC) . . . someone correct me if I'm wrong? And only one of them was a POV character. I liked ADWD, although again, I thought it was too long, but I think all of the books except the first one are too long so that's not a new problem for me.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  tothemax on Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:59 pm

BreezyK wrote:Yes, that note at the end was just BEYOND! I can't even imagine reading that and then waiting for 6 years for him to come out with the next book!
I KNOW!

I'll try to keep an open mind for ADWD, ulkis, but I think I need a break from the series so I'll just wait to get it from the library anyway. I thought ASOS was too long, but I was captivated with the story so I didn't mind. AFFC was a relative cakewalk, but I didn't think the story was compelling, mostly because of all the new characters, but most of their stories were dull.

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I'm most upset that Stoneheart killed Brienne. I thought she was making great progress as a character (and notsomuch with her quest, which basically consisted of her getting lost, but at least she had an interesting background and perspective) and then she was dead along with Podrick. I LOVED Podrick.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  curryalley on Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:17 pm

You guys, I'm halfway through Storm of Swords and I want to throw myself off the nearest bridge.

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I just..I can't believe it... He killed them. Walder Frey killed them all. It's such a long series, I thought surely Robb would meet the Lannisters in battle at the end. But no. He just killed him. And poor Lady Catelyn, who had a child to live for just outside the gate and never knew. This series is like the Oprah of Death. "And you get killed! And you get killed! And you! And you!" It's like the end of Chronicles of Narnia for thousands of goddamn pages. And Grey Wind is howling and Jon is King in the North and the only person who's got what's coming to him is Jamie fucking Lannister! And I think I might like him now! Arya had better survive or I don't know what I'm going to do. Mostly, I just want Danerys and her dragons to kill them all.

Someone hold me.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  Lily Rose on Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:24 pm

curryalley wrote:You guys, I'm halfway through Storm of Swords and I want to throw myself off the nearest bridge.

Spoiler:
I just..I can't believe it... He killed them. Walder Frey killed them all. It's such a long series, I thought surely Robb would meet the Lannisters in battle at the end. But no. He just killed him. And poor Lady Catelyn, who had a child to live for just outside the gate and never knew. This series is like the Oprah of Death. "And you get killed! And you get killed! And you! And you!" It's like the end of Chronicles of Narnia for thousands of goddamn pages. And Grey Wind is howling and Jon is King in the North and the only person who's got what's coming to him is Jamie fucking Lannister! And I think I might like him now! Arya had better survive or I don't know what I'm going to do. Mostly, I just want Danerys and her dragons to kill them all.

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Oh honey. I know. We've all been there.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  Red Wolf on Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:43 am

Strangely, I was fairly calm about it the first time. The second time, though. Even though I knew it was coming, it was traumatic as hell. Oh, can you imagine the reaction of the internet if that ever makes it to the screen? Quite a few forums will melt down. Screams of anguish will be heard around the world. Twitter will explode.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  queenofdenile on Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:30 am

[hugs curryalley]

Let the record be shown that I am a huge, huge fan of Joss Whedon and J.K. Rowling. Yet, whenever fans talk about how MEAN they are re: character deaths and tragedy...after reading Martin's books, I just want to laugh. Whedon and Rowling are innocent little penguins compared to GRRM.
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Post  Gallifrey Girl on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:10 am

That just makes me think of this!

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  curryalley on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:21 am

GRRM, indeed.

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I'm still upset. Can't even enjoy Joffrey's comeuppance.

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Post  tothemax on Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:41 pm

curryalley wrote:You guys, I'm halfway through Storm of Swords and I want to throw myself off the nearest bridge.

Spoiler:
I just..I can't believe it... He killed them. Walder Frey killed them all. It's such a long series, I thought surely Robb would meet the Lannisters in battle at the end. But no. He just killed him. And poor Lady Catelyn, who had a child to live for just outside the gate and never knew. This series is like the Oprah of Death. "And you get killed! And you get killed! And you! And you!" It's like the end of Chronicles of Narnia for thousands of goddamn pages. And Grey Wind is howling and Jon is King in the North and the only person who's got what's coming to him is Jamie fucking Lannister! And I think I might like him now! Arya had better survive or I don't know what I'm going to do. Mostly, I just want Danerys and her dragons to kill them all.

Someone hold me.
OMG, this is why I had to pause after reading AFFC: I just could not handle everyone dying. Oh, sure, it's more "realistic", but I want my happy ending, dagnabbit.

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Post  midnight radio on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:45 pm

Red Wolf wrote:Strangely, I was fairly calm about it the first time. The second time, though. Even though I knew it was coming, it was traumatic as hell. Oh, can you imagine the reaction of the internet if that ever makes it to the screen? Quite a few forums will melt down. Screams of anguish will be heard around the world. Twitter will explode.

I wasn't exactly calm about it the first time, but the second time is worse. You can just feel the tension tightening, winding up like a spring through the whole scene, and I had a hard time reading it without skimming because I just wanted to know what was going to happen. And then it happened, and augh. The second time was worse because I already knew exactly what was coming, and that it was horrible.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  tothemax on Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:16 pm

So I broke down and started ADWD and I'm about a quarter of the way through. So far, the plotting seems slow, but I don't mind it as much since there are characters I actually care about, as opposed to the damned Ironborn (yes, I'm still bitter).

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Also, THEON IS ALIVE HOLY SHIT THAT REVEAL WAS EPIC. That alone makes ADWD better than AFFC.

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Post  naughty zoot on Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:19 pm

Re: your spoiler - I KNOW! and so heartbreaking.
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Post  Cynara on Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:06 pm

Seriously, I thought it was bad partway through the second book when
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we thought Bran and Rickon were dead, but...yeah. I think everyone who's ever read these has gotten to that part and been all GEORGE, THOU HAST CLEFT MY HEART IN TWAIN because REALLY.

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Post  tothemax on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:08 pm

Re your ACOK spoiler, Cynara:

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I didn't believe Bran and Rickon were dead because I thought there was no way GRRM would kill children. I know, it was an incredibly naive and stupid assumption, but it spared me that bit of nastiness.

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Re: The Works of George R.R. Martin

Post  curryalley on Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:22 pm

Halfway through AFfC. Kinda bored. Especially since
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it seemed at the end of ASoS that the focus of the story was going to move away from the War of Five Kings and to the actual threat at the wall. But no. Now it's more about the damn Iron Islanders and the Dorne have now stuck their noses in. Where is all the goood stuuuuuuff?

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Post  laurelin_kit on Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:35 pm

There's no Jon or Tyrion or Dany in AFFC - they come back in ADWD. I think AFFC is great, though. I love everyone in Dorne and all of Cersei's chapters and Brienne's quixotic adventures. It's just a bit of an adjustment coming off the heels of ASOS, which is like a crazy rollercoaster.
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