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Post  Wildog27 on Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:40 am

Have you seen the Despecialized Editions?

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Post  Case on Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:04 am

Realistically, I know you're right.

And no! I'll check them out.
Ah well. Bring on the new Star Wars films! I'm oddly excited about the idea of Episode VII.
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Post  Red Wolf on Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:05 am

There's multiple fan edits out there. What to the Despecialised ones have?

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Post  sagitare on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:59 pm

I've read more than one tweet saying PLEASE DEAR GOD DO NOT REBOOT STAR WARS (and a few replies saying that's basically what Episode VII will be) but you know what? I actually wouldn't be opposed when that happens (because of course it will. OF COURSE). First off, Star Wars is such a special thing for me that even if Michael Bay was to direct I wouldn't bat an eye. Honestly, nothing they do to Star Wars will ever affect the original in any way shape or form for me. But the other thing is, I would actually be really curious to see what kind of new perspective could be brought to the movie because, unlike all the other remakes that get foisted upon us about ten minutes after the original is out of the theatres, there's been so much time gone by since its release that a reboot would make sense and could really spin the story in a really creative direction, much like Moore's Battlestar Galactica did.

But really, whatever comes down the pipe can't be worse than what Lucas has done to the series himself, imo. There are so many talented and exciting writers and directors out there. I think at the beginning anyway Disney is going to want to do this right, knowing the place that series holds in pop culture (not to mention how its revered by fans). I'm looking forward to seeing what's going to shake out of this.
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Post  Paris, Texas on Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:23 am

laddical wrote:NOT A JOKE. NOT A PRANK.

Haha, love that!

$4 billion is pittance for all the toy money Disney money is going to make from this. And by possibly making Leia a Disney Princess.

I want a Mark Hamill cameo.

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Post  xyzzy on Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:16 am

George Lucas is donating most of his $4B from this deal to his charity, the George Lucas Educational Foundation. Go, George.

I also learned that when an upscale community disliked his plans for an expansion to his studio empire, he decided to turn the land into low-income housing. Heh heh.
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Post  Red Wolf on Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:16 am

I also learned that when an upscale community disliked his plans for an expansion to his studio empire, he decided to turn the land into low-income housing. Heh heh.
That's the best kind of FU. One that helps other people. While I'm mixed on his creations, I have to love him for that.

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Post  Melk on Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:36 am

I also learned that when an upscale community disliked his plans for an expansion to his studio empire, he decided to turn the land into low-income housing. Heh heh.

Yes! That incident single handedly changed my opinion on him from 'currently sub-par movie maker' to 'secret badass'.
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Post  Wildog27 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:17 am

George Lucas just saved Star Wars by firing George Lucas.

Maybe the most interesting supposition in this is that Lucas actually hated/resented Star Wars for keeping him from being what he really wanted.

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Post  RiverThames on Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:40 pm

OK, serious question here: what, exactly, would a Third Trilogy be about? I mean, the original Trilogy was, in broad brushstrokes, the defeat of a corrupt and evil empire, personified by the redemption of Vader and the rebirth of the Jedi side of the force. The Prequel was about the rise of that empire, personified by the death of the Jedi and the fall of Anakin. I'm not saying there isn't plenty of room for stories, it's just not quite obvious to me what a vital Ep. 7-9 story would be.
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Post  The Dude on Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:51 pm

laddical wrote:Pretty much. Or, brainstorming in a "Hey, George, we wanted to pick your brain for an afternoon about how you saw things going down in the years after Jedi" kind of way without any commitment to actually use any of his ideas.
I'm sure George specified that in his intracate plan that has every detail of the series in place, regardless of whatever continuity errors or creepy incest you think you might have seen.

Seriously George did say he had the sequels coming out before saying he said no such thing.
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Post  laddical on Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:41 pm

RiverThames wrote:OK, serious question here: what, exactly, would a Third Trilogy be about? I mean, the original Trilogy was, in broad brushstrokes, the defeat of a corrupt and evil empire, personified by the redemption of Vader and the rebirth of the Jedi side of the force. The Prequel was about the rise of that empire, personified by the death of the Jedi and the fall of Anakin. I'm not saying there isn't plenty of room for stories, it's just not quite obvious to me what a vital Ep. 7-9 story would be.

Well, if I were to develop a premise without being saddled to any of the Expanded Universe continuity that has pretty much already exhausted most of the Skywalker-Organa-Solo post-Jedi years, the arc of the trilogy would be the restoration of the Republic and the Jedi Order. The death of the Emperor wasn't the death of the Empire - even in the Expanded Universe it was a five year slog to get the Empire off Coruscant and even then the Imperial Remnant lingers and lingers and eventually becomes the dominant power in the galaxy again (though not under the control of the Sith). So there's a solid "we won the war, now we need to win the peace" story to be found. Unfortunately, most of that story has been mapped out in the EU, so the only way to make it work in the movies is to jettison the EU continuity.
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Post  xyzzy on Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:38 pm

When it comes to the plot, Lucas has a full treatment for the next film and at least an outline for the following two episodes, as well as ideas for more. He also noted during the announcement that there are tons of books and comics and other materials that could be adapted in the future. But this initial trilogy is not to be based on any currently existing work, such as Timothy Zahn’s “Thrawn” (or “Heir to the Empire”) trio of books, which take place relatively soon after the events of “Return of the Jedi.”
Source: Star Wars Episode VII Plot: What Will The New Film Be About (And Who Will Direct It)?

I would have been up for watching Jacen Solo become a Sith Lord, but who the hell knows what Lucas had in mind.
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Post  laddical on Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:11 pm

I'm taking anything and everything anyone anywhere says about the sequels with a whole Costco-sized container of salt but...

However, perhaps more likely is the hire of another director Kennedy has worked with, including M. Night Shyamalan (“The Last Airbender”), Gary Ross (“The Hunger Games”), Simon Wincer (“Free Willy”), John Patrick Shanley (“Doubt”), Robert Zemeckis (“Flight”) or “Captain America: The First Avenger” helmer Joe Johnston, who actually worked as an effects artist on the first trilogy of “Star Wars” films.

Some interesting names on there - Shanley's never done anything like Star Wars, but I love Joe vs. the Volcano so very very very much. Joe Johnston practically deserves to direct a Star Wars movie, and Zemeckis... well, as long as he's not doing more creepy mocap animated movies, I'm cool. Gary Ross is pretty much a non-entity for me - I didn't feel much of a signature style in The Hunger Games, and have never heard of Simon Wincer (nor seen Free Willy).

BUT I SWEAR ON EVERYTHING I HOLD DEAR THAT I WILL BURN SHIT DOWN if M. Night comes anywhere near Star Wars. Anyone who ever considers hiring him for anything should be forced to watch The Last Airbender, which I consider a greater abomination than most people consider the prequels. At least Lucas was working from his own story - how M. Night fucked up with such an awesome story already laid out for him like Avatar is beyond me. He'd been a hack in my mind for years prior to TLA, but he's absolutely the bottom of the shit list for me now.
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Post  RiverThames on Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:34 pm

So, with Shanley: He can get the job, but can he DO the job?
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Post  laddical on Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:35 pm

I'm not arguing that with you!
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Post  xyzzy on Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:52 am

Yeah. M.Night. Just, no. I don't know how the guy still gets work, and the fact that he's in post-production on a movie right now boggles the mind. (He apparently didn't write this one, but STILL!)

Other possibilities mentioned in that article also scare the ever-living shit out of me. I doubt Tim Burton would get near this franchise, but I suppose if he could turn Johnny Depp into a goth droid he might be tempted. Gore Verbinski of PotC fame might be a popular choice for other people, but I just can't deal with how self-indulgent his direction of those movies is. But give me the guy who directed The Ring and I might be all over that. I also don't want to see Turteltaub, the guy who directed the National Treasure movies, anywhere near Star Wars.

Now, about writers. I would looooooove it if they could get Drew Karpyshyn on this. He wrote my three favorite Sith novels, was the lead writer on SW: KOTOR, wrote a ton of great content on the Neverwinter Nights games, contributed to the Throne of Bhaal expansion for Baldur's Gate, and was the genius behind the Mass Effect storyline, games 1 & 2. (Can't blame him for whatever the hell happened with ME3. =D)

I have seen some pretty interesting suggestions elsewhere--Lana & Andy Wachowski, for instance. They're great writers and directors, and early adopters/inventors of new film technologies.

I don't want Damon Lindelof, Joss Whedon, the Nolan brothers, or Kevin Smith anywhere near these films. I like all of them (with the exception of recent Kevin Smith), but I'm tired of them.
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Post  laddical on Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:17 pm

Has Episode VII found its writer?

Well, if it's true that he already wrote the treatment, then yes, it has found a writer. Whether he goes on to write the screenplay is still in question, but... man, Toy Story 3. Fucking Toy Story 3, man. Get him on the screenplay and Andrew Stanton or Pete Docter to direct? Yeah, it's Disney-Pixar nepotism, but those guys deliver - and are, I believe, potentially available. I still think that most of John Carter's problems were on the marketing side - the movie itself had problems, but Stanton acquitted himself pretty well. Not as well as Brad Bird did with Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol, but still. Brad Bird would be the dream, but since 1952 is a really real project and not a cover for Episode VII, it's not going to happen. Neither is Joss Whedon. Geeks gotta deal.

I love his breakdown of the ending of A New Hope in that article. It climaxes three times in 22 seconds. That's both awesome because it's true and because it makes my inner twelve-year-old laugh and laugh and laugh.
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Post  xyzzy on Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:38 am

I like this speculation, though the John Carter movie made me want to garotte myself with my own wrist tendons. But everyone has duds.

But bringing Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford back? I don't wanna. I wouldn't mind a token cameo type dealie, or even something along the lines of Obi-Wan-Kenobi's relatively minor amount of screen time in Star Wars, but I'm not too interested in a trilogy about old people. (And who the hell would they use for Princess Leia? Carrie Fisher has not aged well, as much as I love her.)
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Post  Matinee on Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:34 pm

I love the idea of bringing them back for small parts and playing their age - really push into the future. It helps that I have no care at all about the expanded universe so I'm fine with it being generally jettisoned.

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Post  ulkis on Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:11 pm

But bringing Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford back? I don't wanna. I wouldn't mind a token cameo type dealie, or even something along the lines of Obi-Wan-Kenobi's relatively minor amount of screen time in Star Wars, but I'm not too interested in a trilogy about old people. (And who the hell would they use for Princess Leia? Carrie Fisher has not aged well, as much as I love her.)

I could deal with Harrison Ford (although I'm sure he wants to do a cameo as much as he wants to put his hand in a fire) but yeah, Hamill and Fisher I don't know if they could pull off awesome old wise Jedi master/senator.

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Post  xyzzy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:37 am

Laddical was right!

A day after THR reported that Michael Arndt has been working with Lucasfilm for several months on a treatment for the new Star Wars movie, Lucasfilm has confirmed that the Toy Story 3 scribe will write the screenplay for Episode VII.

Arndt had written a 40- to 50-page treatment that will bring the saga of the Skywalkers, the Force-imbued family comprising Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader and twins Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia Organa, to a close in a new trilogy. The story is said to focus on a new generation of heroes and would feature appearances by Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher in older incarnations of their beloved characters from the original Star Wars trilogy.
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Post  The Dude on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:29 am

Was the Holiday Special part of the deal?
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Post  laddical on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:47 am

I'm sure it was.

That is, if any non-bootleg copies of it exist anymore.
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Post  The Dude on Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:30 am

I hope not. The Holiday special without frizzie fighting, Tobor ads or Flying High* promos would be a sacrilege.


For some reason I remember watching an episode of that show when I was like 5 years old. Why the hell that one stayed in the bank is a loss to me.
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