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Re: Mad Men

Post  naughty zoot on Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:14 pm

I don't think that was the end of Megan. Harry tells Don that Megan was acting crazy - which is something her agent told Don last season - and then she crazily rants at Don in a complete turnaround from her earlier attitude towards him, and then Don - who I don't think knew about Marie and the horrible sister being there -comes home to an apartment which appears to have been completely emptied by Megan. It seems like too many circumstances conspiring to make Don think Megan's crazy for it to be the last of her.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Arabella on Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:17 am

So glad Betty rejected Glen's advances! Was very worried there, with the whole "he's 18 now it's totally legal" bit earlier in the episode. Weiner's kid playing this role continues to add extra layers of creepiness to the proceedings.

And poor Sally, having to watch her friend hit on her dad.

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Re: Mad Men

Post  Instant Monkeys on Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:19 am

CREEPY GLEN, I DID NOT MISS YOU.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  dionneshea on Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:56 am

I literally could not watch that last scene with Betty and Glen because I was so afraid she'd accept his advances. I covered my eyes with my hands until she declined him.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Bruce Greenwood? I admit that could simply be because it's Bruce Greenwood. But he didn't seem too terribly horrible off the start. I'm sure that could change - this is Mad Men after all.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Morning Angel on Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:24 am

Mad Men is slowly killing me so far this season, and not in a good way.  Though it did get at some truths, this episode was so cringe-worthy that I had my hands over my face a lot, unable to look in horror.  I don't know if that was the effect the episode wanted to achieve.  Poor, poor Sally Draper (though Kiernan Shipka was killing it.)  Also, oh God, Creepy Glenn should have stayed gone.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  mialoubug on Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:13 am

Ok, I really need to check this. When Joan was talking with new guy Bruce Greenwood in the lobby, she said that she was "divorced -- twice." Did we know this? I know she married Greg the surgeon, but did we know that she was already divorced? I looked all over the web for the answer to this and I didn't find it. Did I miss something?

For some reason, this is really annoying me.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Morning Angel on Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:52 pm

Alan Sepinwall talks about it in his review.

"* Joan mentions being divorced twice. I have no memory of the first marriage coming up in the past, but several people insist it was discussed in the episode where her friend from Mary Kay comes to town. (Linda Holmes points to this line from that episode, though she acknowledges it's ambiguous.)"
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Re: Mad Men

Post  punkysdilemma on Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:52 pm

Matthew Weiner has the worst blind spot about Glen. His kid is not a very good actor and he still can't understand that's why he always comes off as creepy. I hope that's the last we see of him.

85K in 1970 is apparently a mere 515k in today's dollars. Hold onto that real estate, Don, you gave all your money to your ex-wife!
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Shalamar on Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:29 pm

I imagine that would have been an awkward conversation in the Weiner (heh) household:

Marten: Hey, Dad, when am I gonna be in the show again?
Matthew: Uh ... here's the thing, son ... everyone thinks you're creepy.
Marten: What?
Matthew: Oh, not YOU. YOU'RE not creepy. But your character is. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Marten: Wahhhhhh!
Matthew: Stop crying, son! Fine, I'll write a scene in which an 18-year-old you hits on Betty Draper. And it won't be creepy at all. *to self* Dad of the Year.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Corvus on Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:01 pm

Or...

What if it's not a blind spot? Was his creepiness essential to the narrative purpose of that scene with Betty? Bookended with the dinner scene wherein Don is lighting cigarettes for flirty young (very) ladies, which wasn't creepy (from Don's point of view - he was being polite and ignoring the flirty aspects) unless you are Sally (where it was creepy because her parents are monumentally insecure narcissists with Pavlovian responses to attention). Glen's affect (leaving aside Weiner Jr's capacity as an actor) makes Sally's assessment of Betty's response all the more accurate. (No, Sally wasn't there. Had she been, she'd have rolled her eyes and say 'SO PREDICTABLE, BETTY'.) Recast the scene with the shirtless football kid from last season, it doesn't read the same. It has nothing to do with Glen, his lack of, what, being the shirtless football kid, doesn't change Betty's response.

If that is the case, then the conversation in the Weiner household would be different:

Matthew: C'mon, he likes it. Most kids would kill to be on television.
Mrs Wiener: We agreed the last time was the last time! His friends are laughing at him!
Matthew: We tested a dozen other kids. He delivers like no one else.
Mrs Wiener: Delivers what? The creeping fantods? How can you exploit your own child for ratings?
Matthew: For art, not ratings. Professional actors come off too sympathetic. Anyway it's almost over.
Mrs Wiener: Is it? Planning to have Mrs Peel poison him at a wedding?
Matthew: The show is almost over. And it's not that bad. One or two more scenes.
Mrs Wiener: Shall we read some reviews? It is that bad. He's collecting them to show to his therapist.
Matthew: FINE. A telegram will arrive, happy now? I HATE COMPROMISING MY ART.
Mrs Wiener: At least Tom Felton had training.
Matthew: Marten, get down here, your mother and I have something tell you.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  naughty zoot on Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:33 am

How lovely was that scene between Peggy and Stan? He is clearly the best man at Sterling Cooper.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Morning Angel on Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:39 pm

This episode was more like the Mad Men I know and love. Very pleased with it and hope it keeps it up.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  mialoubug on Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:53 pm

naughty zoot wrote:How lovely was that scene between Peggy and Stan? He is clearly the best man at Sterling Cooper.

Totally agree. However, I am hopelessly lost on this whole episode. (I've also had a fever since Weds., so that might be part of it.) So basically SCDC is no more, correct? Swallowed up by McCann Erickson? And Peggy is going to McCann as well as Stan. The main five -- maybe not Joan -- are going, and others are awaiting their fate.

Do I ahve that right?
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Re: Mad Men

Post  eventide82 on Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:49 am

PEGGY & STAN FOREVER.

That is all.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Cynara on Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:20 pm

NO SERIOUSLY.

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Re: Mad Men

Post  emrie on Mon May 04, 2015 12:40 am

Oh. My god. Peggy dreamily skating around the empty office while Roger played the organ was the single greatest thing I've ever seen on this show.

Until she walked in in slo-mo the next day, cigarette dangling, carrying the tentacle porn painting. Then that was the greatest thing.

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Re: Mad Men

Post  blixie on Mon May 04, 2015 9:47 am

I concur her bad ass strut, sunglasses on, with a cigarette sneer was EVERYTHING. And I loved that Roger stepped into the literal void which Don created when he walked out of McCann, and possibly advertising for good. It was interesting to her see her pointedly contrasted with Joan/Don's trajectories at McCann, Joan forced out, and Don ditching it by choice.

I'm over Don and the Waitress, even as a symbol, of his lost self. Yawn. But I did love his little moment with Birdie.

I'm still mulling over Joan's story, it was so gross and horrible to see her treated that way, and it almost seems like Joan was less savvy now than when we first met her vis a vis Ferg, and while I can respect her desire to struggle, taking the money (even less money) and running still seems the best option for her personal happiness. She also seems to have found someone who supports and loves her. It's a still a sad punctuation on the way someone of Joan's age couldn't fully adapt to the new world as it changed too fast for her to ever fully keep up.

I have procedural questions about the non-compete clauses, though, if she's fired/bought out would she still have to honor that? Same with Don, only in his case the fact that he's y'know not Don Draper?

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Re: Mad Men

Post  RiverThames on Mon May 04, 2015 12:06 pm

blixie wrote:I have procedural questions about the non-compete clauses, though, if she's fired/bought out would she still have to honor that? Same with Don, only in his case the fact that he's y'know not Don Draper?

I may be wrong, but if she's bought out of her contract, then that is McCann willingly ending her contract. That should free up an no-compete clause. Just like back in Season Three's "Shut the Door", with Lane "firing" everyone, that cancelled their no-compete clause.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Corvus on Mon May 04, 2015 12:26 pm

I forgot to observe my rule about watching TV at bedtime in case it is thought-provoking. Stick with The Middle or Antiques Roadshow. But no, had to watch the Joan Story which caused me to lie awake contemplating that due to time remaining in the series, historical accuracy and/or narrative necessity we will not be treated to McCann getting his well-deserved comeuppance. Do not put his picture up next to Walter Frey in expectation.

I too thought Joan would have been more ept in 'reading the room' but perhaps she's stopping giving a damn. Kudos to Hendricks for loading three pages of dialog (including flashbacks) in a single long look at Roger when she realized how much he did not have her back, therefore screw it, I will take the cash and wait up Dawn, I too will get far, far the hell away from all of these people.

Bonus Bert!
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Francie Nolan on Mon May 04, 2015 8:13 pm

Ugh, watching Joan be treated that way made me so anxious and infuriated. I've had a...challenging week at work where I've been particularly annoyed at The Establishment and I think I'm totally projecting all my issues onto Joan. I hope stupid Dennis is still working at McCann in the 1980s and gets a lady boss with giant, terrifying shoulder pads. Also fueling my anger is reading internet comments (not here!) that imply that Joan deserves to be treated that way because she set the precedent with the Jaguar guy. Grrrrr.

I've always thought that the show would have to end with Don shedding his Don Draper identity and retreating westward, back to his homeland. Meredith handing Don that envelope containing all the tokens of the Don Draper identity has to be significant. Don "introducing" himself to Jim Hobart made me feel that may be the last time he presents himself as Don Draper, adman extraordinaire. There's always been something Gatsby-like about Don--I always think of Nick Carraway's line at the end: "I see now that this has been a story of the West" and the idea that he, along with all the others, is "subtly unadaptable to Eastern life."

I need to make a vision board of Peggy strutting down the hall, shades on, cigarette in mouth, tentacle porn under her arm.


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Re: Mad Men

Post  biakbiak on Tue May 05, 2015 6:39 am

The thing about Joan is that she has close to the dream she had when we met her, a rich dude who wants to be with her who puts her first, he can be a duck ie Kevin and telling her not to complain but comes around, but she realizes that isn't what she wants. It would be sad but I could see it ending that way.

I have no problem with Don becoming Dick Whitman but there better be a final Peggy/Don or Dick scene before the show ends. Her scenes with Roger and walking into McCann were glorious but Don/Peggy needs to happen even if it's nit a happy ending.

I thought the Don/Betty scene was lovely and if it's the last time we see her that will be fine.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  mialoubug on Mon May 11, 2015 12:18 am

This episode? Blindsided.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Cynara on Mon May 11, 2015 12:27 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Re: Mad Men

Post  Instant Monkeys on Mon May 11, 2015 1:16 am

Man. I'm depressed as hell now.

Great episode, but unsettling and...yeah. I was shocked.
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Re: Mad Men

Post  Francie Nolan on Mon May 11, 2015 1:49 am

Well, I guess I'm not sleeping tonight. So blindsided....but, yeah, that's life.

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