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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  dreago on Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:44 pm

I saw it opening night with a bunch of other fairy tale fanatics. It was not a good movie. I could tell there were multiple screen writers. Chris H. was acting as if he were in a romantic comedy while the others were busy acting in an epic type movie. Kristen Stewart was very miscast. Sure, she looked the part, but her body language was all wrong, wrong, wrong. When she was supposed to be all inspirational, all strong and empowered and back from the dead and such, she still moved awkwardly, her gait uneven, her shoulders sloped in such a way as to hide herself. It was puzzling. She made a good victim though. I believed her fear and youth.

I liked the idea of Snow White being connected to nature. The maiden goddess and her stag consort is a staple in many pre-Christian myths. Too bad they didn't really continue to develop this concept until the very end when her sceptre was a tree branch. The evil queen being connected to cronehood archetype through the death of the land was a nice touch too. Snow being an archetype made me ok with the character being written 1/2 the time as if she were one dimensional. However, the other times when they tried to humanize and add "depth" to her character with touches of sassiness here and there were just confusing. And what was with the Lord's Prayer? And why only a part of it? And at the end when she says, "You can't have my heart-" and then just stops speaking? And what happened to her to go from hate for the Queen to sorrow for her?

You know there is a problem with your lead when the last shot of the movie has the central figure all blurred out and the surrounding worshippers or whatever, in sharp relief. Oy. When the movie ended my friend and I turned to each other at the same time and said, "well, the movie was very pretty."

I don't know what there could possibly be a sequel about.

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Post  Coneycat on Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:12 pm

And what was with the Lord's Prayer? And why only a part of it?

Apparently, Snow White is Catholic: we stop at "deliver us from evil"-- in church, the priest has a bit and the congregation has a bit, but when we say our prayers at home, we stop where Snow did.

With that said, I dunno why the prayer was specifically included. There were a bunch of things that seemed raised and then left unresolved-- including almost everything to do with her nature powers, and also the magpies and where did the horse come from (or GO TO), like she'd get random magic help in some moments and not others. Looking back, it felt like it was meant to be a much longer movie.

And I like Stewart, honestly, but she felt wrong in this specific part. I think I was expecting much more of an ass-kicking princess based on the trailer and her general demeanour, and I never got over the disconnect.


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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  RiverThames on Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:51 pm

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I suspect there's a lot of this movie on the cutting room floor. I hope there's an extended cut when the DVD comes out.

Heh. I know during Snow's Big Inspriational Speech there was all this stuff about iron I thought, "This speech feels like it makes reference to things that did not make it into the final cut of the film."

It was a mess. Visually gorgeous, but a mess. That said, I do have to applaud a mainstream movie that ends
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with two female characters that are not only in the center of the action sequence, but are both fully dressed for the fight. One's even in full armor.
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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  dreago on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:07 pm

Oh yeah, "Iron will melt but it will writhe inside itself.". I was like, "what the hell does that mean?" I thought maybe I had heard wrong and she was saying something about herself as in "I will melt" but I'm glad to know my hearing isn't gone. Just my comprehension.

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Post  Count_Bloodcount on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:56 pm

I found it quite disappointing. As is often the case, the best stuff was in the trailer. And Charlize Theron was good but there wasn't enough of her.

How are they going to make a trilogy out of this?

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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  punzy on Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:31 pm

Just got back from this, paid $5 which seems about right. That was a terrible inspirational speech.

As a sequel I would like to see "The Huntsman and the Seven Dwarfs", maybe with some William thrown in for fun.

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When Snow came out and grasped William's hand for a second my husband turned and whispered "Ooo, friendzoned."

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Post  lisalars on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:57 am

I saw it last night and I too thought it was a bit of a mess.

Visually it was beautiful, but I couldn't quite figure out what message they were trying to get across.

It definitely wasn't a romantic tale - though she was wakened by "true love's kiss" still, right? It wasn't quite a war/battle movie cause it was softened enough to avoid that. It wasn't quite comedic - though some things came off "spoof-ier" to me then I think was intended. I just didn't quite know what I was watching.

There were moments I liked a lot, and I thought Charlize and Chris were great. Kristen was fine, not great, but not terrible.

The funniest thing one of my friends said when we walked out was "they did a good job with her teeth" (Kristen's). I'm like, what?!? I'm pretty sure that's just what she looks like - you've probably just never seen her smile before.

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Post  GoodbyeWithWords on Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:08 pm

I feel like this movie should have been made a few years from now when Charlize was older and someone like Elle Fanning or Hailee Steinfeld would've been old enough to play Snow White.

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Post  Binky on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:59 pm

Visually, that was beautiful. But the plot was, uh, not so much there. And it certainly wasn't helped by Kristen Stewart's grand total of 2 facial expressions.

More Chris Hemsworth. I like him better with brown hair.
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Post  Menshevixen on Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:23 am

I saw it last night. General reaction: overlong, pacing issues, good acting, great effects. I really enjoyed Theron's queen and I like Stewart a lot, but the trailers
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led me to formulate an almost entirely different plot in my head before seeing it. I mean she doesn't even get the armor until ten minutes before the movie ended! She was like their Joan of Arc figurehead.

I did like that
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Snow White is by herself at the end. It's hinted that she'll end up with the Huntsman, especially since he woke her up with The Kiss and all, but I was surprised and pleased by how there really wasn't a love triangle and the film didn't end with a wedding. And that William and the Huntsman were kind of bros, like when they're fighting their way through in the castle.

I guess I have more thoughts about this movie than I realized. :B
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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  Coneycat on Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:38 am

Personally, I wanted
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the Huntsman to go back to the village in the marsh, and take up with that lovely woman with the daughter.

In my head, that's what happened after the coronation.

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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  Jude on Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:59 pm

I saw it yesterday, and I liked it. It was a bit long, it's true, but I thought Kristen was fine in it. I did notice the open-mouth thing, but I don't think it's necessarily something she can help if she doesn't make a conscious effort to shut it. When one has bunny teeth, one's mouth just naturally falls open more. Or so I've decided. On the other hand, Charlize Theron has the perfect mouth; it's ridiculous how beautiful she is.

Other than that, Menshevixen pretty much said everything I'd want to say about this film, so read that review, and that's basically mine.

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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  curryalley on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:17 pm

So my feelings re a bit different in that I completely loved it. Perfect? No, but I adored it, I walked out with a smile on my face, my friend and I both gushed about how much we loved it, and it's my second favorite of the summer so far after Avengers.

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I loved the effects and how frightening the Queen is. There was a family with small children there and I don't know how they didn't run out in fear when the Queen started eating bird hearts. I loved that the movie didn't see the need to apologize for being a fairy tale or make some sort of tongue-in-cheek nod to the audience about it. I loved that you can almost understand how a girl who was pulled away from her family during the pillaging could end up making the choices the Queen makes. I loved the way Chris Hemsworth looks dirty, wearing leather, and swinging an axe.

And now about Snow White herself. Kirsten Stewart has never been more likeable for me. I don't think looking like she'd knife you is a bad thing. I don't want to equate innocence with passivity. For me, her purity of heart was more about empathy than anything else. She could feel for her enemies but feeling for them isn't a reason not to defend yourself. When someone's creepy brother comes into your cell to do who knows what to you, get them with that nail, girl! Her taking the knife from the Huntsman was one of my favorite moments. I also liked that having two possible love interests for Snow gave her a choice that doesn't exist in the fairy tale. In the story, Snow winds up with the first guy to lay one on her. By being kissed by both and only awakening for the Huntsman, she gets to choose who she loves instead of being obligated to go with the first guy to stumble along. Not ending the movie with a kiss was a good choice and I liked that Huntsman was married before. It ties back to empathy and of people's endless ability to love. It was about love without being a love story.

So yeah. I really really liked it, flaws and all. As I said on twitter, Disney Pixar is doing their best to pretend Brave isn't actually about a girl in their advertising so having movies like this is really important.

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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  vwlphb on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:41 pm

Luthien wrote:I thought the dirt was quite realistic: when Snow White reached out to touch the white hart, her fingernails were dirty.

I did notice that and like it, but I rather thought it lost its effect when her eyebrows were tweezed within an inch of her life. My first thought when she appeared on screen was "She's trapped in a tower and doesn't even have proper wood for a fire, yet somehow has tools to seriously shape her eyebrows?"

Other than that I mostly liked it. I was kind of hoping she'd end up with William, just because having her end up with the Huntsman seemed very cliche.

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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  laurelin_kit on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:40 pm

curryalley wrote:As I said on twitter, Disney Pixar is doing their best to pretend Brave isn't actually about a girl in their advertising so having movies like this is really important.

Really? I haven't noticed. How?
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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  curryalley on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:44 pm

laurelin_kit wrote:
curryalley wrote:As I said on twitter, Disney Pixar is doing their best to pretend Brave isn't actually about a girl in their advertising so having movies like this is really important.

Really? I haven't noticed. How?

The two TV ads I see most often, one shows Meridah only for about three seconds at the end. We get one glimpse of the main character in the entire spot. In the second, Meridah narrates but is not seen. At all. In both, the footage focuses on the father, the brothers, the Scots showing up declaring 'this means war,' and the roaring bear. First Pixar movie about a girl and the advertising focuses on anything but.

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Post  Kiran on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:47 pm

Huh. All the ads I've seen have been her tearing off her scarf to take the shot herself when those guys are shooting arrows for her hand in marriage.
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Re: Snow White and the Huntsman

Post  laurelin_kit on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:49 pm

curryalley wrote:
laurelin_kit wrote:
curryalley wrote:As I said on twitter, Disney Pixar is doing their best to pretend Brave isn't actually about a girl in their advertising so having movies like this is really important.

Really? I haven't noticed. How?

The two TV ads I see most often, one shows Meridah only for about three seconds at the end. We get one glimpse of the main character in the entire spot. In the second, Meridah narrates but is not seen. At all. In both, the footage focuses on the father, the brothers, the Scots showing up declaring 'this means war,' and the roaring bear. First Pixar movie about a girl and the advertising focuses on anything but.

Guess those haven't made it over to the southeast US. Not sure how they could really hope to hide the fact that Merida is both a girl and the main character, but hey, anything's possible.


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Post  curryalley on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:50 pm

Could be a fluke of the advertising in my market. In any case, movies like Snow White and the Huntsman are vital when it takes Pixar more than ten years to get around to making a movie about a girl.

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Post  Jamie on Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:24 am

I saw it and completely loved it. I thought Kristen Stewart was great.
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I'm not sure that the huntsman (did we ever get a name for him?) really loved Snow White, but his kiss was more "true love's kiss" than William's. I think Snow and William could still end up together (if she even has to end up with anyone), but neither of them had ever experienced the life-changing love that the huntsman felt for his wife. So their kiss did nothing. It was seeing a glimpse of how powerful real love could be that woke up Snow White and motivated her to lead the army. I really loved that. Though her rally speech was weird. Iron writhing wut?

I really liked
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as the queen was dying, how Snow White said, "You can't have my heart." She said it with a perfect mix of pity and resolve. I was worried when she told the huntsman she didn't think she could kill that the queen would somehow kill herself or someone else would do it. That purity of heart meant not being able to kill, ever. But it was like someone said earlier in the thread, her inner beauty was her empathy. She could understand what the queen wanted, and why, and even feel sorry for her. But she didn't have to give it to her.

I was a bit confused by some of the magical elements. I like it when fantasy fiction clearly explains it's system of magic.
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I liked that the scary forest was really just the effect of the Scarecrow fear spray or whatever that was. But what the hell was that magic forest with the White Stag Aslan? It was gorgeous to watch and I was entertained, but I really didn't understand the point of it. The dwarfs were already convinced of Snow White's royalty, so what did being chosen by the Butterfly Moose have anything to do with anything? I wish there was less of the The Chosen One going on in the movie, or that it was better explained or something. Everyone seemed to be in on some kind of prophecy about Snow White, except they never really said where that came from. (Unless, of course, I missed it. Which is entirely possible.)
But that's just a minor criticism compared to how much I loved the movie.
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Post  Binky on Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:01 pm

curryalley wrote:Could be a fluke of the advertising in my market. In any case, movies like Snow White and the Huntsman are vital when it takes Pixar more than ten years to get around to making a movie about a girl.

I have a big problem viewing this movie as 'vital' to the cause of movies with prominent female roles, given that it heartily embraced 'fair' as being the only characteristic of value in the main female character and largely used Charlize Theron's character as a tableau for special effects. I know at the end Snow White led an army into battle, but the visuals don't cut it for me, since she spent most of the rest of the movie following a dude around and functioning as little more than the pretty princess. The plot wasn't there. I know they didn't go for the cliche coupling at the end, but they did every other not particularly about female-empowerment trope in the book.

I realize I also think the role of Snow White could have been played just as if not more effectively by a mannequin, so Stewart's performance might be coloring my opinion.

(I'm not defending Pixar, given that their most compelling female character ever to me was the mute robot EVA in WALL-E, I'm just saying I don't see any dramatic difference between their movies and this one, in terms of "not shitty about women". Just because it had two women as the main characters doesn't win it points when those women characters are used the way they were, to me.)

I am baffled there's going to be a sequel. And I hope they recast Snow White.
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Post  curryalley on Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:18 pm

I just feel differently about the movie and responded positively to an epic about a woman who saved the day in the end, got to lead an army, and gave the big inspiring speech, all without ending with a kiss as if none of those things matter if she can't also get a man. I'm trying to avoid what Sarah Rees Brennan (who blogs a lot of things I agree with about female characters and representations of women in media) as Lady Hating. The script of this movie is nowhere near perfect and especially light on dialogue - it's a flaw - but I like that Snow White
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fled when she had the chance even though it was dangerous and she was venturing into a world she was unfamiliar with, that she took the knife from the Huntsman when she thought he would hurt her, that she took the care to connect on an emotional level to several characters throughout, that she was never paralyzed by fear, that she had the courage to act when she had to. Those are the things I connected with.

These are just my opinions and I've said I really liked the film. I am also really in favor of seeing more movies about more different types of ladies and Snow White does this.


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Post  Binky on Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:43 pm

The stuff you spoilered are valid points. I think a lot of my feelings are how poorly I reacted to Kristen Stewart's portrayal of the character.

And I would like to see more movies about women, so we agree on that!
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Post  bbridges on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:22 pm

Someone already posted this in the Robert Pattinson thread but this seems like a better place to talk about it. Complete retooling of the sequel to dump KStew? If they dump her and keep Rupert Sanders I will be so angry. I didn't have much of a desire to see a sequel to this movie at all but if you were going to spin off one character the only one I'd have been interested in was Charlize.


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Post  curryalley on Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:11 am

I think your link is broken.

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