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Post  particle_person on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:57 pm

Did we have some kind of Oscar Pool thread before? Does anyone want to bring it back? I don't think I ever knew how it worked.

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Re: Oscars 2013

Post  mokey75 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:14 am

ulkis wrote:I hope Lincoln doesn't win. It was good, but there was nothing extraordinary about it, imo.

Yeah, I agree. DDL was amazing, and Tommy Lee Jones was fun. But it was just another Spielberg movie, IMO. Also, the scene on the battlefield in the beginning was AWFUL. Like so awful, I thought we were going to have to walk out of the movie if it kept up like that.

I thought Argo was great, better than Lincoln, and I liked it more than Silver Linings Playbook, too. I do kind of wonder if the Director snub was a result of the
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plane being chased by terrorists in a jeep part at the end. Like, people were all, "this movie is amazing! So restrained, so emotive, so compel...wait! Is that jeep CHASING THE AIRPLANE? That's it Affleck, you ruined it!" heh.
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Post  The Dude on Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:56 am

I don't know how martin Sheen can get so huffy about 0D30 having fake torture scenes when his son has pretty much done the same thing to a porn star in real life.
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Re: Oscars 2013

Post  TiffanyNichelle on Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:22 pm

ETA! Nevermind, I found it a minute later. My Googlefu works again!
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Post  Agent Sculder on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:44 am

Now having seen Silver Linings Playbook, I feel bad for Bradley Cooper. He was just SO good in it, and he'd probably have a good chance of winning Best Actor if it wasn't for DDL. I never would have guessed he was capable of giving a performance like that. And hoo boy, Jennifer Lawrence was also excellent as well. I haven't seen Zero Dark Thirty yet so I can't say I like her performance better than Jessica Chastain, but I have a feeling she will be who I will be rooting for on Oscar night.

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Post  swsa on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:38 pm

I VASTLY preferred Lawrence to Chastain. I think Lawrence is one of SLP's greatest assets, while Chastain would be way down on my list as to what I think works in ZD30. I like her as an actress, but Maya is a cypher in ZD30, and while much of that isn't her fault but the way the character is written, I still don't feel we need to reward that with an Oscar.

I haven't seen Amour yet though, and I've heard rapturous praise for Riva.
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Post  mayram on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:38 pm

swsa wrote:I VASTLY preferred Lawrence to Chastain. I think Lawrence is one of SLP's greatest assets, while Chastain would be way down on my list as to what I think works in ZD30. I like her as an actress, but Maya is a cypher in ZD30, and while much of that isn't her fault but the way the character is written, I still don't feel we need to reward that with an Oscar.

I haven't seen Amour yet though, and I've heard rapturous praise for Riva.

Same here. I really like Jessica Chastain and I was happy that they cast her in ZD30 but I ended up not being as blown away by her performance as I was expecting. For me, her best performance was in The Debt, which I think got mixed reviews, but I really liked it and she was a major factor in that. She just didn't do much for me in this movie (not that I think any other actress would have done any better, it was just the character itself.)

I loved Jennifer Lawrence in SLP and hope she pulls out the win at the Oscars. Agreed that Bradley Cooper is unlikely to beat DDL, which is a shame since he did an awesome job in SLP.

This was such a good year for movies, I'm sad they can't all win.


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Post  mrinsouciance on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:41 pm

I liked Chastain in ZDT better than some of you, but nonetheless I would agree that Jennifer Lawrence was better and between the two of them would vote for her.

Finally saw The Hobbit this weekend, and it's too bad the guy that plays Gollum didn't get a nomination for supporting actor, because he is genius in that role.

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Post  laddical on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:43 pm

Andy Serkis probably should have been nommed at least once during LOTR, and he *sure as shit* should have been nominated for Rise of the Planet of the Apes. So ignoring him again for The Hobbit isn't even a little surprising.
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Post  Poubelle on Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:25 am

I remember leaving Two Towers thinking "if Gollum doesn't win Best Supporting, there is no justice." Then nominations came out and I was like, well, they can give it to him for the third movie.

Maybe they found a way to work Gollum into one of the later Hobbit movies somehow, so the Academy has a chance to rectify their long-running mistake. Like, I hope at the very least enough folks finally see the light and give him an honorary award for consistently being so amazing in a sort of acting that didn't even exist until recently.

I feel like part of Bradley Cooper's problem is being overshadowed by his own costar. Jennifer Lawrence seems to be grabbing all of SLP's momentum (probably due to a mix of her being in a category where someone else isn't a lock, and Hollywood never having a problem with gorgeous young blondes, especially if they actually bothered to learn how to act). Like, I don't think it's her fault at all, but SLP seems like the sort of movie where voters are willing to throw it one major award bone, but only one.
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Post  swsa on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:19 pm

I think Cooper was lucky to even get a nomination. Not that I don't like him in SLP. He gave one of my favorite performances of the year. I just don't think he's being underrated and I think there was a good chance he could've missed for someone like Richard Gere or John Hawkes. He's never even been close to a nomination before, so I think that's his reward.
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Post  Kiran on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:33 pm

Yeah. I think it was a big thing for him to even get in (which I'm really happy about), I think the reward for him is, yes that, and probably the more interesting movies he might get to be in now (his imdb already looks way more interesting then it has ever been).
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Post  The Dude on Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:52 pm

laddical wrote: and he *sure as shit* should have been nominated for Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
That was a protest vote for leaving Giibons out of the ape revolt.

There needs to be a category for best voice work or something, because it's only going to get to be more of an issue.
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Post  Agent Sculder on Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:57 pm

The Dude wrote:There needs to be a category for best voice work or something, because it's only going to get to be more of an issue.

At some point I do think they need to consider an award for people shoe performance is captured through voice and motion capture. Andy Serkis has proven that a person can do phenomenal work as an actor in that medium. It's a terrible shame he's never been nominated for the work he did as Gollum or in Planet of the Apes.

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Post  Kiran on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:14 pm

I'm almost wondering if they should give him a special achievement oscar like they did back in the day. Hes so great, particularly in Rise of the Apes (I actually thought his work there was even better then his work as Gollum), but a category may not work because there will be years where no one does anything, or its all that weird uncanny valley stuff.

I remember thinking that if Zoe Saldana's work in Avatar wasn't motion capture she might have got some buzz too.
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Post  vwlphb on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:09 pm

Kiran wrote:I'm almost wondering if they should give him a special achievement oscar like they did back in the day. Hes so great, particularly in Rise of the Apes (I actually thought his work there was even better then his work as Gollum), but a category may not work because there will be years where no one does anything, or its all that weird uncanny valley stuff.

I've thought this too. He really has done a great deal as an actor to advance MoCap as a performance medium. Not to say that there aren't other people involved, of course, but as an actor he has really embraced it and done great performances with it. And if he hadn't given the performances he had as Gollum and Caesar, I think there wouldn't be as many mocap movie projects like TinTin green-lit (which he was also in). MoCap would be relegated to video games. Especially after how badly received movies like The Polar Express and A Christmas Carol were in terms of the Uncanny Valley.

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Post  The Dude on Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:04 am

vwlphb wrote: Especially after how badly received movies like The Polar Express and A Christmas Carol were in terms of the Uncanny Valley.
When Serkis did Gollum the lingering memory was Jar-Jar Binks.
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Post  queenofdenile on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:21 am

Argo won the Producers Guild Award and now I'm wondering if it really will be the fourth movie ever to win Best Picture without getting a Best Director nomination. The movie's on fire. Though if Silver Linings Playbook wins the SAG tonight for ensemble cast, I'm going to predict that in my pool, because that movie's got a lot of momentum as well and I wonder if it could be this year's Shakespeare in Love (where Lincoln is Saving Private Ryan).

I would have no real problem with Argo winning, even though I preferred almost all the other Best Picture nominees to it, because I was really impressed with the tension-building and the 70s feel of it, and I understand why everyone likes it so much. In my opinion, Affleck's biggest flaw was casting himself in the lead role. As a director he's impressive, as an actor he still suffers from Imminent Death Syndrome.

I seriously have no idea how to predict this year, though. The only ones I feel comfortable guessing are DDL and Hathaway.
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Post  Binky on Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:23 pm

I like that there's a little suspense this year. I really enjoyed Argo and wish Ben would have gotten a director's nomination, as well. I am not sure Argo would have been better with a different lead; maybe. I thought the weakest part was the suddenly rather unbelievable chase that really made it a "based upon true events" rather than a true story. I have no problem with it winning.
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Post  Arabella on Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:57 pm

queenofdenile wrote:I would have no real problem with Argo winning, even though I preferred almost all the other Best Picture nominees to it, because I was really impressed with the tension-building and the 70s feel of it, and I understand why everyone likes it so much. In my opinion, Affleck's biggest flaw was casting himself in the lead role. As a director he's impressive, as an actor he still suffers from Imminent Death Syndrome.

I seriously have no idea how to predict this year, though. The only ones I feel comfortable guessing are DDL and Hathaway.
I am not sure Ben casting himself as the lead in Argo was vanity so as practical necessity. Gone Baby Gone, which didn't star Ben, topped out at just over $20 million domestically. The Town made a lot more money ($92 million), but it was also a contemporary bank heist movie. A story about a hostage crisis in the Middle East 30+ years ago had to have been, during the pitch process anyway, a much trickier sell for a studio. Argo didn't have a James Bond budget, but it did cost around $45 million to make, and maybe it only gets 40-50 percent of that funding without Ben as the star, so it has to film in half the time, it has fewer crowd scenes and he has to skimp on the supporting performers, so it's not as good a movie (meaning it makes less money and doesn't get nominated for as many awards). Personally, I am waiting for the Uncle Harvey whispering campaign about the Tony Mendez whitewash robbing a Latino actor the chance to headline a mainstream drama, and that a vote for Argo is a vote for institutional racism! Which would probably help Lincoln more than SLP, but it would be something to stall Argo's momentum...


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Post  Agent Sculder on Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:37 pm

Binky wrote: I really enjoyed Argo and wish Ben would have gotten a director's nomination, as well.

There was a really interesting article in the New York Times this week regarding why Ben may have not been nominated for Best Director. The gist of the article is that the directors branch of the Academy is one of the smallest (less than 400 people), and there aren't many old school, studio type directors left. The most recent directors who have been invited to join have almost all been indy type and foreign directors. If you contrast this with the Directors Guild of America, there are THOUSANDS who get to vote. The speculation was that the directors in the Academy are probably more likely to want to recognize directors of smaller films, rather than popular entertainment. That's why this year we got Haneke and Zeitlin rather than Affleck or Bigelow.

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Post  Binky on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:06 pm

Arabella wrote:
I am not sure Ben casting himself as the lead in Argo was vanity so as practical necessity. Gone Baby Gone, which didn't star Ben, topped out at just over $20 million domestically. The Town made a lot more money ($92 million), but it was also a contemporary bank heist movie. A story about a hostage crisis in the Middle East 30+ years ago had to have been, during the pitch process anyway, a much trickier sell for a studio. Argo didn't have a James Bond budget, but it did cost around $45 million to make, and maybe it only gets 40-50 percent of that funding without Ben as the star, so it has to film in half the time, it has fewer crowd scenes and he has to skimp on the supporting performers, so it's not as good a movie (meaning it makes less money and doesn't get nominated for as many awards). Personally, I am waiting for the Uncle Harvey whispering campaign about the Tony Mendez whitewash robbing a Latino actor the chance to headline a mainstream drama, and that a vote for Argo is a vote for institutional racism! Which would probably help Lincoln more than SLP, but it would be something to stall Argo's momentum...

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you that Affleck cast himself at least in part because he's no longer Box Office poison. I think with almost any other actor, the appeal would have been smaller. Even just the people who were tricked into thinking Argo was a heist-like movie. That said, I wonder how close George Clooney was to playing Tony Mendez. (I also think, that judging by modern day Tony Mendez at the Golden Globes, he actually looks a great deal like Affleck.)

AgentSculder, I didn't know all of that about the Director's category, but I had read that it seemed possible that the voters thought he was a shoe-in, so they tried to support other smaller names and excluded him (and Bigelow - but Hooper was just not deserving IMO).
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Post  queenofdenile on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:26 am

I don't think Affleck cast himself out of vanity; I just think he was extremely NOT good at the acting part of that movie. Reviewers called him restrained and I saw that as a kind word for "flat and boring." He wasn't Tarantino-as-an-actor bad, but almost a complete blank slate. For me, it was the film's only big flaw.

As for whitewashing, I'm too annoyed with The Impossible on that front to care about Affleck as Mendez. They also seem to be doing a TON of press together and Affleck is praising the real Mendez left and right, so I can't really fault him on that score.

Anyway, SAGs: I'm wondering if Argo really will Driving-Miss-Daisy its way to Best Picture now. Movie's on a roll. History does seem against it, though - Apollo 13 comes to mind, having won the Globe, SAG, Producer's Guild, AND Director's Guild award, but not getting a Best Director nod at the Oscars and losing Picture to the racist misogynist anti-Semite/Jodie Foster's bestie. And since Ben can't win Director, Lincoln seems almost guaranteed to win Director, is definitely guaranteed to win Actor, and probably will win Screenplay - and I don't know how one can justify saying, "Movie A had the best Directing, lead performance, AND writing of the year, but Movie B was still a better overall movie." But that's assuming the Oscars make sense.

Also, it's rare for all SAG acting winners to cross over to Oscar wins, so I'm wondering who's the most vulnerable. I'm thinking Tommy Lee Jones, since he didn't show to the awards and hates everything.
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Post  Paris, Texas on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:17 am

I hope Jennifer Lawrence doesn't win. I had issues with her performance, good though it was, and with Anne Hathaway's lock (Go, Sally Field, go!) may be all the ingenue I can handle. And I love Jennifer as an actress and the Oscar may be too much at too young an age.

I am so over Argo (the acting was fine, but give me a break, SAG) but I am total awe of how Ben Affleck is a schmoozer par excellence. He is playing the non-nomination like a fucking violin. Truly impressive shit, though I hope Ang Lee wins the DGA.




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Post  swsa on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:29 pm

I might be able to handle such a blah movie winning everything, I mean, that's nothing new for awards season. But the standing ovations are getting insufferable. It's ARGO. Ben Affleck being feted as if he's as overdue as Scorcese was during The Departed's run is kind of insane.
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