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Post  Lily Rose on Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:14 pm

Premiering tonight!
One of the most fascinating literary characters comes to life on television for the first time: psychiatrist-turned-serial-killer, Dr. Hannibal Lecter. In this new drama from Bryan Fuller ("Pushing Daisies," "Heroes"), based on the characters from Thomas Harris' classic novels, we see where this incredible story began.

Will Graham (Hugh Dancy, "The Big C") is a gifted criminal profiler who is on the hunt for a serial killer with the FBI. Graham's unique way of thinking gives him the astonishing ability to empathize with anyone - even psychopaths. He seems to know what makes them tick. But when the mind of the twisted killer he's pursuing is too complicated for even Will to comprehend, he enlists the help of Dr. Lecter, one of the premier psychiatric minds in the country. Armed with the uncanny expertise of the brilliant doctor, Will and Hannibal (known as a serial killer only to the audience) form a brilliant partnership and it seems there's no villain they can't catch. If Will only knew...

Fuller is a writer and an executive producer. Martha De Laurentiis ("Red Dragon," "Hannibal"), Sara Colleton ("Dexter"), Jesse Alexander ("Lost," "Heroes") and Katie O'Connell also serve as executive producers. David Slade is the director/executive producer for the series pilot. "Hannibal" is produced by Gaumont International Television.
I am excited about this! I loved Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the books) and the cast looks fantastic. Here's hoping that it turns out smarter than The Following!

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Post  PrincessCleo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:15 am

I think my one complaint at this point is that I can't understand 98% of anything Mads Mikkelsen is saying. I heard something about a mongoose at one point, I'm pretty sure?

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For some reason, I really enjoyed the whole "liver-eating ~sensitive~ psychopath" line they were going down just to pull it back and be like "lol j/k it's not Lecter." And then right when I was starting to enjoy the idea of Will and Lecter as mumbling crime-fighters, he starts INTERFERING and KILLING PEOPLE WRONG and TELLING THE GUY TO RUN because he is THE WORST AT HELPING EVER and somehow that was even better. And then they had Gillian Anderson in the "later this season omg" montage and I was happy.
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Post  Lily Rose on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:25 am

Loved it. It was cinamatically stunning and I think I'll be dreaming about some of those visuals. And I actually got the shivers a bit at the end and that never happens to me.

Mads is a serious mumbler, no kidding. But he did call Will a mongoose.

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Post  PrincessCleo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:28 am

Laurence Fishburne Needs To Teach Everyone On This Show How To Enunciate.

I swear to God, I can't find it now, but Bryan Fuller was tweeting today that they would do Red Dragon for season four, if they got that far, and that they were looking at a role in the second season for Lee Pace, because obviously.
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Post  Morning Angel on Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:44 am

It was great! Visually stunning. I didn't know they had cast the great lead from "A Royal Affair" as Hannibal Lecter, though agreed, he was super mumbly. Plus, Hugh Dancy, Caroline Dhavernas & Lawrence Fishburne? And now, someone is saying Gillian Anderson is also in this? Wow, I'll be happy to stick around. It was gruesome, but not in an exploitative way, which is the only way I can tolerate gory material.

Also, I'm pretty convinced the FBI Academy is my grad school campus because I'd recognize those amphitheatres and concrete walls anywhere (we didn't call our campus the Fortress of Solitude or/and the Death Star for nothing. ;) )
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Post  biakbiak on Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:17 am

I think I must know a lot of mumbles because I keep reading in so many reviews how Mads is unintelligible but I had no issues with understanding him.

Loved the show, surprised because I remember a bunch of critics were dubious after the long ago upfronts but checked it out give their near unanimous roll reversals.
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Post  PrincessCleo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:19 am

See, I read in advance about that, yeah, and I was like, "What? He's sounded fine in movies," and then I got to the show. Towards the end either he was clearer or I was getting used to it? But I didn't even realize who his patient was (I'm assuming he must have said his name?) until I saw this.
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Post  Kiran on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:57 am

I was interested because I was a fan of Manhunter and Silence of the Lambs, and love Bryan Fuller and the cast in general, but I got really excited when the pilot started getting reviewed. I loved it. I really thought it was the best new network show this year.

I was also really impressed by Hugh Dancy. I've always loved him and thought he was very charming, but I don't think hes ever been asked to do this much before (not on stage anyway, I know hes done a lot of excellent broadway work), and he just knocked it out of the park.
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Post  ActonBell on Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:20 am

Right? He was so good as Will Graham.

This reminded me a lot of Michael Mann's Manhunter in the way it portrays the violence with very dream-like qualities. I also like that they decided not to just go for an Anthony Hopkins-like (or Brian Cox-like) performance for Lecter.
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Post  PrincessCleo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:37 am

Yeah, the fact that they clearly decided to go a very different way with the entire cast (I think Freddie Lounds will now be female, even?) was the only thing that got me past my initial "WHAT NO WHY" reaction. And I like that the show really feels like it's about Will Graham, title notwithstanding. (He adopts ALL THE DOGS! Bless his heart. I want to hug him, even though he definitely does not want hugs.) The thing I really like, too, is that they don't seem to be romanticizing or even really prioritizing Lecter in the show itself (even though they know they can have someone say the word "liver" and we'll all scream). He's subtle and kind of weird and off-putting and clearly in the story to screw with Will and contribute to Will's development as a character. You get the feeling that they know what they're doing, is what I'm saying.
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Post  Lily Rose on Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:44 pm

PrincessCleo wrote:But I didn't even realize who his patient was (I'm assuming he must have said his name?) until I saw this.
!!!!

That is all I can say about THAT.

The more I think about the show today, the more I like it. I am excited to see that they are going in slightly different directions with all the characters, because they know they can't duplicate the movies. I know some people are upset that Will is talking about being on the Autism Spectrum, but I think it's fine. He explained it well and it fit into the character in this iteration.

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Post  PrincessCleo on Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:50 pm

Actually, I just watched it again on Hulu (with closed captioning, HUZZAH), and the patient's name is "Franklyn." But that tweet seems to indicate that this is their "version" of that character, so.

I just keep laughing about
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the phone call to the real killer.
Like, for some reason, THAT'S when I was like, "OH MY GOD HOW ARE YOU SUCH A TERRIBLE PERSON. Oh wait."
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Post  blixie on Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:59 pm

I know some people are upset that Will is talking about being on the Autism Spectrum, but I think it's fine.

Ha, really, I just thought it was sort of a meta thing since Dancy was in Adam, about an autistic man.

I enjoyed it, and mostly understood my beloved Mads (for a Scandanavian he has fairly noticeable clipped accent). I think I will enjoy the Trolling Will show, even when the trolling involves gruesome murder.

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Post  Instant Monkeys on Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:19 pm

PrincessCleo wrote:Yeah, the fact that they clearly decided to go a very different way with the entire cast (I think Freddie Lounds will now be female, even?) was the only thing that got me past my initial "WHAT NO WHY" reaction. And I like that the show really feels like it's about Will Graham, title notwithstanding. (He adopts ALL THE DOGS! Bless his heart. I want to hug him, even though he definitely does not want hugs.) The thing I really like, too, is that they don't seem to be romanticizing or even really prioritizing Lecter in the show itself (even though they know they can have someone say the word "liver" and we'll all scream). He's subtle and kind of weird and off-putting and clearly in the story to screw with Will and contribute to Will's development as a character. You get the feeling that they know what they're doing, is what I'm saying.
I just watched it finally, and I agree with all of this. I think it's very smart not to have Lecter as the CENTRAL-central character, because they would just use him up really fast. Having him lurking around everywhere is better and quite a bit CREEPIER.

Yeah, this is probably not a show I'll be able to watch live.

I also enjoy the Murder Trolling of Will. Heh.
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Post  Unlucky Bear on Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:13 pm

I like it A LOT. Love Hugh Dancy (and all his doggy friends) and Mads Mikkelsen. Hopefully they'll be able to include the rest of the cast of King Arthur in this one.
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Post  Lily Rose on Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:34 pm

I think Amazon is offering the pilot for free download right now (I can't tell because I bought a season pass, and it just shows that I own it), so if you missed it and want to watch, go check it out.

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Post  QueenSix on Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:57 pm

I'd forgotten that Hugh Dancy and Mads Mikkelsen were both in King Arthur.

I am by no means an expert on the books, haven't read them but I did see the films and I thought it was very well made. It's creepy by suggestion although the suit Lecter wears in that office scene had me wondering how they didn't spot there was something off about him from the start!

Also I love Laurence Fishburne and I am very glad to see him on TV.

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Post  PrincessCleo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:26 am

I'm trying to figure out if they were going for a sort of Joker-esque colorful whimsy with that suit or they were just like, "Oh, WHY NOT."

I think it's very smart not to have Lecter as the CENTRAL-central character, because they would just use him up really fast. Having him lurking around everywhere is better and quite a bit CREEPIER.
Honestly, beyond the name-brand advertising advantage of using his name for the title, I kind of think it works best because he's what all five seasons (apparently they've planned five seasons in advance?) will have in common. Theoretically, if they can get the rights to SOTL characters from MGM (this is apparently an issue),
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there will be a point where the show is, uh, not about Will anymore. Poor guy.

... If they did get the rights and the final scene of the series was the last scene of SOTL, that would be BADASS.
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Post  QueenSix on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:17 pm

I think what excites me most about the show is the potential it has. Knowing how it all goes down in the end hasn't spoiled my enjoyment of it. In fact, I think what has me watching is the eager anticipation of watching them all journey down to that ending because right now they haven't a clue!!

And I like that they're taking the source material seriously and aren't just cobbling together another show about serial killers because they're 'in' right now and Hannibal is THE big name in serial killers so why not have him in it and be as untrue to the character as possible. I'm going to be watching it but I think I will be on tenterhooks for most of it.

And just to show how my priorities are, if anything happens to any of Will's dogs, I will weep buckets of tears because as much as people in danger worries me, animals in danger slays me. *deep breath* If Lecter ever visits Will at this house, I will scream until the scene is over.

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Post  laddical on Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:25 pm

Knowing how it all goes down in the end hasn't spoiled my enjoyment of it.

To me, that's what makes the show all that more intense. There's a reason foreshadowing is an effective narrative tool. And I've never understood the complaint about prequels being pointless because "you know how it ends." You know how a movie ends every time you watch it after the first - and yet people always somehow manage to enjoy movies multiple times. It's all about execution, and right now, Bryan Fuller and his team seem to have hit the sweet spot. We'll see if they can hold on to it over the course of a season or two.

And I hope they have. Fuller deserves a hit. I'm still lamenting Pushing Daisies these four years later.
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Post  Binky on Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:51 pm

Yeah, I don't even think the promise of Gillian Anderson can get me to watch a show that is basically about dudes killing women, and the dudes that investigate those dudes, and then more dudes. If you want me to watch violence against women (especially that gory), there needs to be a woman who's not getting violence'd against her front and center. Or something that rises above torture porn.

I was kind of hoping this would like Criminal Minds before it went the torture porn route, but nope (not saying it was good before that, but I found it watchable).
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Post  PrincessCleo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:58 pm

I thought the new Alana Bloom character (who they went out of their way to change from male to female) and the fiber analyst were both pretty cool, and we don't know what's going to happen to Gillian Anderson yet (please eat her last). Freddie Lounds will also be female now, but... well, that's not helping my case any. I admit, "the only thing worse than women getting killed is dudes feeling sad about women getting killed" isn't that big a step forward. I hope it turns into something more than that.
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Post  laurelin_kit on Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:10 am

Binky wrote:I was kind of hoping this would like Criminal Minds before it went the torture porn route, but nope (not saying it was good before that, but I found it watchable).

Yeah, but Criminal Minds was just the CBS procedural version of a Thomas Harris tv show anyway, right?
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Post  Kiran on Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:12 am

I also always thought it was torture porny. I watched the first three episodes and couldn't get beyond that (and Mandy Patinken couldn't make it past his initial contract). Far more then this show. I don't know I found the violence horrifying but done very well if that makes sense. Its a show about a serial killer. And I didn't get the feeling they were getting off on it. Not like I do from certain shows (Criminal Minds is the biggest example, but there was a show on fox called the Insider that STILL horrifies me). You don't actually see the violence happen, just the aftermath, which is horrifying, but it should be.

I don't know. I have more issue with shows like Supernatural which I find "fridge" their female characters then this show.
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Post  Binky on Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:09 pm

For the first 4 or so seasons Criminal Minds played some lip service to John Douglass' books on profiling, explaining why a murderer did what and not typically making jokes over the autopsy table (like Bones or NCIS, especially). There was always some torture porn, but the psychology stuff + Matthew Gray Gubler was also hot served to mitigate it for me. And I felt like some of it was just horror-scary, not torture-porn.

Somewhere in early season 5-present, they stopped profiling completely, and the killers became mustache-twirling evil supervillains killing solely because of evil evilness (legit psychological explanation, right?), and they ratcheted up the torture porn violence like whoa. Oh, and then they fired the female profilers (they brought them back later).

Ahem, sorry for the CM tangent. But I think it coupled with all the other violence against women genres done so offensively, Hannibal has some trust to establish. And Gillian Anderson is tempting, but I dunno.
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