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Post  Francie Nolan on Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:22 pm

So I'm a little spoiler-phobic, as you can tell by the topic title.  Why can't we just get these things the same time as the UK?  Is this our punishment for breaking up with you?  

So many red herrings!  So far I'm thinking that it can't be Mark, because that would be too obvious, and they played that card too early for it to be him.  I feel like Susan (the creepy dog-walking lady) knows something about who killed Danny or how he was killed, but that she wasn't responsible (or solely responsible).  Nigel is somewhere in the same category.  Given the revelations about Jack, that would also be too obvious--but he's connected to Susan! Who has a different name that I can't remember!  I'm dying to know why Susan has Danny's skateboard and what was in the texts Tom deleted.  The priest seems a bit creepy, but I think it's just because he has the hots for Beth.  The cocaine and the £500 may be a red herring, but I really want to follow up on that more.  So far, the least likely suspects would be Beth's mother and Joe, so I'll go with them, for no good reason.  (I will be so sad if it's Joe, though--he and Ellie are adorable together).  Everyone is a suspect!

The only storyline I find tedious is the possibly fake psychic.  Also, I really just want to know what happened with Hardy's previous case already.

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Post  Gallifrey Girl on Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:08 pm

Canada must be slightly ahead of the US (but still way behind the UK) as this just finished this past Monday. They ran it on an odd Sunday and Mondays for four weeks schedule, rather than once a week. That said, I think they aired the last episode longer, as my DVR taped it at the right time, but it cut off before the end of the last episode. I'm not sure how much of it I missed - 30 seconds or ten minutes, who knows?!

I enjoyed it. David Tennant (swoon) with his soooo thick Scottish accent, being permanently dour was delightful. All the actors were great, so many Doctor Who and Potter people. The setting was amazing - those cliffs!

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Post  LadyGayle on Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:49 pm

I am loving this show! Tennant and Olivia Colman are brilliant, but the performance I'm blown away by is Jodie Whitaker's as Beth. That can't be easy to play constant grief - to be brittle and raw without any histrionics. Oh, and what is up with her pregnancy and why hasn't she told anyone but Vicar Paul? Is the baby maybe not Mark's? And whatever happened to the daughter's skeevy boyfriend?

Susan/Elaine is officially the creepiest person on this show - even more than Walder Frey. Threatening the newspaper lady with rapists? And then right after doing that making her very first friendly gesture ever by saying "hey" to Hardy? Brrr.

I could also do without the psychic, but everything else is golden. I'm not even in a hurry to know who the killer is, I'm just interested in seeing it all unfold.

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Post  Kiran on Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:52 pm

Regarding her pregnancy, I figured she wasn't sure if she wanted the baby (shes had two kids and shes only 30. She might be feeling a bit apprehensive about a third), and now with everything else going on its something she doesn't want to deal with it.
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Post  Gillian on Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:01 am

Francie Nolan wrote:So far, the least likely suspects would be Beth's mother and Joe, so I'll go with them, for no good reason.  (I will be so sad if it's Joe, though--he and Ellie are adorable together).
Yes!  Joe is the best cop husband ever, so I'm terrified it'll end up being him.  I am going to spend the rest of my Friday night watching the last couple of episodes so I'll be all caught up, at least American caught up.

Does anyone else have to keep turning the closed captioning on when they're watching this?  I'm fine with straightforward conversations, but when it's multiple people in a scene or people are speaking casually, I miss a lot.  You never know what'll turn out to be important later with shows like this, so I keep rewinding and turning on subtitles.

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Post  Francie Nolan on Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:50 pm

I can't take the suspense anymore!  At least we finally got the Sandbrook (is that even it?) story.  Which was a bit less dramatic than I'd expected.  I really want to know what's up with Tom, but at the same time I'm not sure I want to know.  Ellie's comment to Susan about not knowing what went on in her own house is clearly going to come home to roost.

Do we know who Alistair Murray who sent the email that popped up on Hardy's computer?  Is he Hardy's doctor/friend?

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Post  wenchsenior on Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:02 am

Francie Nolan wrote:I can't take the suspense anymore!  
This. For some reason I thought last night was the last ep, and I can't believe I have to spend another week wondering.

Also, I thought the reveal on Tennant's 'condition' was kind of silly. Do you just suddenly develop heart arrhythmia that's life-threatening? I had been betting it was a bleeding ulcer, though my confidence in that had been dropping due to lack of scenes of him periodically throwing up.

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Post  mialoubug on Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:18 pm

Do we know who Alistair Murray who sent the email that popped up on Hardy's computer?  Is he Hardy's doctor/friend?
I thought he was the police IT guy that Tennant called about bringing up information from Danny's computer when Tennant picked up Tommy's laptop from Rev. Paul.

I got spoiled to murderer on this a few weeks ago accidentally and I was pissed off.  But I keep watching to see the how and where.  This is a very, very well done series.


ETA I was pissed that I got spoiled not by the story.
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Post  ActonBell on Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:32 pm

Ellie's comment to Susan about not knowing what went on in her own house is clearly going to come home to roost.
I thought that definitely set up Tom being complicit in Danny's death in some way, but I'm dying to find out how. Is next week's episode the last one?
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Post  Gillian on Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:10 pm

Francie Nolan wrote:Ellie's comment to Susan about not knowing what went on in her own house is clearly going to come home to roost.
Yeah, that one was a big "oof" moment.  Fictional characters should know better than to say shit like that!  If your kid wasn't the killer before, Ellie, he became guilty the second those words left your mouth.

I don't get why Susan gave Tom Danny's skateboard.  Just to get somewhere with the Nigel situation?

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Post  Kiran on Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:15 am

I don't want to spoil but if any of you haven't watched the finale yet, or even if you have, I highly recommend you find a way to watch the uncut version. Apparently, BBCAmerica cut what is imo one of the most improtant and cathartic scenes in the show.
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Post  ActonBell on Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:24 pm

I've been looking for the uncut version all morning. Last night's episode blew me away, and I was really annoyed to read this morning how much had been cut.
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Post  Francie Nolan on Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:19 pm

ActonBell wrote:I've been looking for the uncut version all morning. Last night's episode blew me away, and I was really annoyed to read this morning how much had been cut.
If you google "watch Broadchurch episode 8," the fourth result down is an uncut version.  I really can't understand why BBC-A would cut that of all scenes.  

I'm going to spoiler this just in case:

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Dammit, I really REALLY didn't want my hunch to be right.  I am usually so terrible about figuring these things out, too.  I've calmed down a bit since I was yelling at my TV last night, but I'm still sort of mad that it was Joe.  It was so nice to see a female character who has both a successful job and a happy home life.  And it was also nice to see a positive portrayal of a stay-at-home dad.  Oh well, that certainly went down the drain.  

That said, Jesus Lord, was that an emotional hour.  The scene where Ellie finds out was so, so gut-wrenching and so real.  She and David Tennant play so well off of each other.  I want to watch Olivia Colman in everything now and give her all kinds of awards.  

I wasn't expecting to actually see Danny's murder and I was surprised at how visceral a reaction I had to it.  And the fact that it was nice guy Joe committing this horrible act was just awful.  I read somewhere that none of the actors knew who the murderer was until they filmed episode 6 or 7, which is a really interesting strategy.  I want to go back and watch the whole thing now, but I'm still too emotionally drained.

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Post  TiffanyNichelle on Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:37 pm

I read too many speculation posts on TWoP which is why I started to think
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Joe was the killer. And then when Susan was so sure she saw Nigel and the only other regular character who was also bald was Joe, that's when I knew it had to be him. Still I was hoping I was wrong. Then I was hoping the murder was something about money or physical abuse or blackmail or something. But it to be what it was? And when Joe told Hardy he was "in love" with Danny? I wanted to throw up. It was beyond gross.
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Post  Gillian on Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:23 am

Ugggggh, no no no no no.

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Worst possible outcome.  Poor Miller.  I was afraid it was Joe because I liked him so much, so I just refused to acknowledge the possibility.  I really wanted it to be Tom.  I don't know which would have wrecked poor Ellie more, but like Francie Nolan said, it was so nice to see a female cop have such a supportive husband who embraced the stay-at-home dad role with no undercurrent of resentment.  I guess that shit is still too good to be true.

I guess I need to go off in search of the uncut version.  It didn't feel like anything was left out when I was watching it, but now I'm curious.  I may just look for a summary instead, though.  This show was so engrossing, but I don't think I could put myself through this episode again.  
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I kind of wanted to throw up right along with Ellie.

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Post  LadyGayle on Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:15 pm

Devastating. Just completely heartbreaking. I had guessed the killer a few weeks ago, but I was SO hoping I was wrong.

And yeah, definitely look for the uncut version. There's one scene especially that should never, ever have been cut.

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Post  wenchsenior on Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:25 pm

Gillian wrote:Ugggggh, no no no no no.

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Worst possible outcome.  Poor Miller.  I was afraid it was Joe because I liked him so much, so I just refused to acknowledge the possibility.  I really wanted it to be Tom.  I don't know which would have wrecked poor Ellie more, but like Francie Nolan said, it was so nice to see a female cop have such a supportive husband who embraced the stay-at-home dad role with no undercurrent of resentment.  I guess that shit is still too good to be true.

I guess I need to go off in search of the uncut version.  It didn't feel like anything was left out when I was watching it, but now I'm curious.  I may just look for a summary instead, though.  This show was so engrossing, but I don't think I could put myself through this episode again.  
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I kind of wanted to throw up right along with Ellie.
I have very mixed feelings about the way this wrapped up.
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It was very engrossing, and I liked that it was made clear that Joe himself was unsure why he was so drawn to Danny, and that the murder wasn't 'deliberate' in any normal sense of the word. Unless there was a bunch of Joe backstory cut, it wasn't strongly indicated that he himself was abused, or that he'd been a habitual pedophile. So in that regard, it was in that weird territory of 'what makes people fall romantically in love with other people?', which is always sort of mysterious. I just recently read the novel "Testimony" by Anita Shreve, which is all about the random destruction that can occur from one or two momentary bad choices in regards to sex or romance. 'Broadchurch' definitely showed the insidious ripple effects throughout the lives of the residents. The novel also raised moral gray areas around age of sexual consent, and the sort of randomness with which we categorize criminality in that area. 'Broadchurch' played with that theme a couple times, too, with the old grocer's backstory with the young girl that he fell in love with and married, and again with the whole weird gray area surround Joe's love for Danny. Of course it likely would have become actively sexual at some point, which would certainly be illegal at Danny's current age. But it hadn't been sexual so far. What if it had become actively sexual a few years later (can't remember age of British sexual consent)? Then, the affair might not have resulted in a murder, and probably wouldn't have been that different in terms of overall emotional destructiveness than the father's affair with the hotel proprietress. So I found all that kind of interesting.

However, in terms of overall execution, I didn't think Joe was believable as the killer. I thought Tom had killed Danny (probably by accident) and Joe might be covering for him. But the way it actually played out was sort of cheap, I thought, because it came totally out of nowhere, in terms of what we knew about the characters. Like, "who could be the most SHOCKING murderer, that we haven't even hinted at before? Oh, I know!" I kind of suspected the show was going to go that route, and I was secretly hoping that if they DID, they would go all the way and make it Danny's grandmother who did it. Plus, I agree that it was annoying to imply that there was just no way for a woman to 'have it all' with a happy marriage, kids, and a successful career. Ellie just had to be made to suffer somehow, and implicitly made to look foolish for not having copped to the fact that her husband was starting to perv on an underage kid.

Also (I assume due to the cuts to the American version), what happened with the horrible Herald reporter (who I wanted to beat with a baseball bat every time I saw her) and Ellie's nephew?

Given those pretty big complaints, I think there's some good possibilities for next season, if they bring a couple new characters in. Are the leads staying on?

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Post  wenchsenior on Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:27 pm

LadyGayle wrote:Devastating. Just completely heartbreaking. I had guessed the killer a few weeks ago, but I was SO hoping I was wrong.

And yeah, definitely look for the uncut version. There's one scene especially that should never, ever have been cut.
Can somebody post a description of this scene. I'm not watching the whole thing again just to pick up a few scenes I missed.

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Post  shamoogity on Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:24 am

I just finished this series and I'm confused by a few things:

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1. What was the explanation for Danny's argument with the postman?

2. How come the family never brought up the fact that Nigel had been taking Danny hunting on a regular basis without their permission? That seems super-weird.

3. Why did Susan take the skateboard and then ultimately invite Tom around and give it to him?

4. Why did Nigel take Susan's dog? Just to blackmail her to leave?

5. Did they ever explain the two hours of Mark's time the night of the murder that were unaccounted for? Even after Becca Fisher came forward, they mentioned that there was a two hour window he hadn't covered.

6. So...psychics are real?

Ultimately,  this show was really well-acted and did a good job showing the effect on the family, the cops, and the town. However there were way too many red herrings that were never fully explained.
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And then they seemed to just go with the person that seemed the least likely and most emotionally devastating, just for shock value.
 That's annoying.

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Post  Pop'n'Fresh on Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:41 pm

The did shoot a scene explaining the postman thing, but it was cut for time reasons. It's on the Blu Ray.
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I don't remember but the postman caught him messing with his van or postbag or something minor, and had a go at him. Basically a red herring.

I don't think the psychic was real, because
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he got the stuff about 'she forgives you about the locket' wrong, and I think that's what made Hardy think he was a fake. He didn't really say anything he couldn't have learned from the press, or things that were likely to be true. I.e. that the killer would be someone they knew, not a stranger - that's a reasonable guess considering it's a tiny town where they knew everyone.

I guess some of the other stuff (like not everyone having an alibi), from an in-universe point of view it wasn't important once the killer had been found. But from an audience point of view it is annoying. But then I think the point is it was created as a psychological exploration of how a small town copes in the wake of a devastating crime, not really a whodunnit, even though it was mostly promoted as a whodunnit.

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