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Post  Raksha on Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:18 am

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Post  naughty zoot on Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:25 am

Amanda Bynes. Again. So sad for her and her family, but the part about her paying other students to do her homework is almost funny. Or would be under other circumstances.
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Post  Eris Rising on Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:08 pm

naughty zoot wrote:Amanda Bynes. Again. So sad for her and her family, but the part about her paying other students to do her homework is almost funny. Or would be under other circumstances.

From what I read, she had been told that the driver would take her to a hotel where she could meet with her parents to discuss the tweets, but instead her took her to the facility where her parents and an attorney were waiting, and where they signed the papers to commit her.
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Post  particle_person on Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:24 pm

The whole thing is really dodgy. I definitely think she has a problem, but it's hard to see how her family lying to her about what they were doing was in any way the right thing to do. Also, I gave the side-eye to this:
It saddens me beyond belief that my husband's character could be slandered in such a way.
Slander? Either she's mentally ill, in which case she's not responsible for that, or it's slander, in which case they shouldn't be locking her up against her will! Pick one. (Also, it's in writing. Libel, not slander.)

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Post  Eris Rising on Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:43 pm

particle_person wrote:The whole thing is really dodgy. I definitely think she has a problem, but it's hard to see how her family lying to her about what they were doing was in any way the right thing to do. Also, I gave the side-eye to this:
It saddens me beyond belief that my husband's character could be slandered in such a way.
Slander? Either she's mentally ill, in which case she's not responsible for that, or it's slander, in which case they shouldn't be locking her up against her will! Pick one. (Also, it's in writing. Libel, not slander.)

If it is the only way to get her help, and she actually poses a danger to herself and/or others (which the doctors obviously believe to be the case), then this is absolutely the right thing to do, and is (hopefully) keeping her from causing a serious injury to herself or those around her. Also, whether she said this as a result of mental illness or not, it is still slander, just as an assault by someone who thinks that your nose contains a microchip that must be crushed is an assault just as much as it is when someone punches you in the nose for talking to his girlfriend.
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Post  particle_person on Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:54 am

I'll give you the point on the libel, but surely if they'd met her and told her to her face (which is what one article said she thought they might do) it would have been more honest and less of a betrayal.

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Post  naughty zoot on Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:47 am

Involuntary commitment is one of the hardest things any family ever has to do for one of its members (both from a legal and emotional point). If lying is the only way to get that person help, then that's what you have to do. Not helping when you can would be the real "betrayal".
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Post  Binky on Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:32 am

Agreed, NaughtyZoot. And they are probably much more able to predict the most successful way to get her committed (not involving themselves via a physical presence, for instance) than us outsiders. She's mentally ill and irrational - anything they do is a 'betrayal'. She may feel diferently (or not) once medicated and able to think for herself.
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Post  particle_person on Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:34 pm

Not helping when you can would be the real "betrayal".
This is a response to something I didn't say. I agree that she's better off in a hospital right now (I never disagreed with anyone on that), but on what we've been told, I think the way this was done was rather nasty.

Maybe they are more able than an outsider to judge the situation (or maybe not -- they are obviously very angry at her, which is a rather large bias) and it's true we don't have complete information.

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Post  Eris Rising on Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:05 pm

particle_person wrote:
Not helping when you can would be the real "betrayal".
This is a response to something I didn't say.  I agree that she's better off in a hospital right now (I never disagreed with anyone on that), but on what we've been told, I think the way this was done was rather nasty.

Maybe they are more able than an outsider to judge the situation (or maybe not -- they are obviously very angry at her, which is a rather large bias) and it's true we don't have complete information.

Sometimes what seems nasty on the surface is the only way to do someone a kindness. Leaving her out there and not getting involved would have been the true betrayal of their daughter, who is obviously unable to care for herself in any meaningful way.
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Post  particle_person on Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:20 pm

Eris, where did I say anything about leaving her out there?

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Post  Eris Rising on Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:36 pm

particle_person wrote:Eris, where did I say anything about leaving her out there?

The use of your word "betrayal" seemed to indicate a willingness to leap to judgment regarding the actions of her parents. As there was no indication that she would have gone willingly, it seems obvious that her parents thought that this was the only course of action possible to save their daughter, meaning that the alternative would have been to leave her to her own devices. Whatever mental challenges she's facing, whether it's severe bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or something else, it wasn't something that would allow her to logically see this as the best course of action. Mental illness is a bear, especially since so many who suffer don't see the need for treatment, and our current system is set up so that people cannot be involuntarily committed to an institution unless they pose an immediate danger to themselves or others.

Considering her obvious delusional state, and the danger she posed to herself and/or others, this was likely the only available course of action that would serve to help her. I cannot and will not harshly judge her parents for doing what they needed to do in order to save their child.
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Post  particle_person on Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:51 pm

No, you still didn't read what I actually said, which is that I thought they should have talked with her before sending her off. That is literally all I said (not withstanding the part I already agreed with you about, regarding the libel). I do judge the actions of her parents, but not for what you seem to think I was judging them for.

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Post  Snarryfan on Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:41 pm

I can see both sides. While the best case scenario was that Bynes could have sat down with her parents and been coaxed into entering treatment...from everything we have seen in her behavior during this seeming breakdown I don't know if that was possible. It seems harsh and maybe cruel to have brought her to the center under seemingly false pretenses--I wonder what there other options would have been? They may have been concerned that she could have turned violent or more erratic during a sit-down--and that she potentially could have fled that setting. Going to court is a costly and time consuming process and it seems like they felt this was the only choice they had. The tragedy in this is that a young woman is spiraling down, and her behavior seems far more in line with a severe mental illness rather than a substance abuse issue, and her parents can't do anything but watch her disintegrate on TMZ and Entertainment Tonight.

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Post  particle_person on Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:52 pm

Oh, I didn't even mean they should have coaxed her, I meant that if you are going to lock someone up against their will, you should explain why you feel the need to do that. This is what I read (in TMZ):
We're told Amanda thought a car service was taking her to The London Hotel where her parents and their attorney were going to meet her.  In fact the parents had made arrangements with the car service to take her to a Pasadena hospital instead ... where their lawyer, Tamar Arminak, was waiting with doctors.
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TMZ reported the tweets were sent after Bynes learned her parents were coming to New York to admit her into a mental health facility.
So she thought they might do that and was presumably willing to meet with them. (And if the lawyer could be there, why not the parents?)

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Re: Celebrity Illness

Post  QueenSix on Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:40 pm

It's a rotten situation to be in. They may have heard something that made them think this was the best course of action. Just because she was willing to meet doesn't mean that she'd have stayed longer than five minutes or even listened to what they said.

I'd be of the mindset to cut the parents some slack. We don't know what's been going on behind the scenes and frankly, I think everyone involved in this would be better served if the likes of TMZ minded their own business and left Amanda Bynes and her family alone.

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Post  Eris Rising on Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:23 am

Famed writer Harlan Ellison suffers stroke, keeps on kvetching.
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Post  laddical on Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:39 pm

Every time I read something about that man I want to punch things, but I still wouldn't wish a stroke on him so I hope he's doing well.
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Post  Eris Rising on Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:30 pm

laddical wrote:Every time I read something about that man I want to punch things, but I still wouldn't wish a stroke on him so I hope he's doing well.

Well, every time he reads something about people wanting to punch things when they read his stuff, he wants to punch things, so it all evens out.

Actually, reading about people who like his stuff also makes him want to punch things.

I think that he just likes punching things.
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Post  Eris Rising on Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:49 pm

In further sad Amanda Bynes news, it looks like her parents are giving up, handing over the conservatorship to someone who specializes in these things, and moving to Texas. From everything I've read, it seems like they did try their best, and I can only imagine how her recent accusations affected them.
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Post  Raksha on Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:44 pm

Maybe that's for the best. Sometimes, when a case is as severe as Amanda's appears to be, it might be more productive to let a specialist handle it. No matter how loving or well meaning her parents might be, if they don't have the expertise then they won't be doing her any favors by trying to forge ahead anyway.
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Post  Binky on Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:27 am

They can't cure her, if anything they probably have a fairly prominent role in her mental illness (i.e. a well developed delusional role in whatever she thinks is happening; not that they caused it) which probably only makes her reactions worse. Stepping back can only cause them less pain and maybe give other people she is less reactionary about help her.
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Post  Eris Rising on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:32 pm

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Post  whatthedeuce on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:21 pm

Oh goodness! I hope he comes out of the situation okay. That is awful.

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Post  ActonBell on Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:26 am

Real Genius is one of my favorite films ever and I would be genuinely bummed if anything happened to him.
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