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Post  TiffanyNichelle on Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:31 pm

As a fan of erotica it bugs me that this is the mainstream representative of that genre. This is what people think of as erotic fiction and it's crap. Thanks Twilight, the crap that keeps on giving.
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Post  Miss Moneypenny on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:05 pm

TiffanyNichelle wrote:As a fan of erotica it bugs me that this is the mainstream representative of that genre. This is what people think of as erotic fiction and it's crap. Thanks Twilight, the crap that keeps on giving.

Yeah, as an occasional writer of erotica (the actual original kind, not the find-and-replace fanfic kind), it's kind of horrifying. IDK, though, if I got depressed every time something embarrassingly bad became wildly popular, I'd probably never leave the house.
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Post  QueenSix on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:40 pm

I've decided the hell with actual job hunting, I am going to write what will be a massively successful series about me and the fridge. Except that the fridge will actually be a human man in the book (because I'm not sure I could outcrazy Mrs Snape and her astral plane romance and Mrs Berlin Wall) but he'll be tall and well built (like a fridge freezer) with a cool interior but that's only because he hasn't met me and I have not switched on his inner light yet. The whole book will be about me 'defrosting' that interior (see what I did there) and there will probably be a lot of food porn or descriptions of sandwiches so we'll be taking lots of picnics with sexy results.

I am also going to create sock puppets all over the internet who will proclaim how great the book is and how I am a genius but there will be a few of them who go on about how I'm only in it for the money, just to alleviate suspicion.
I will be buying off any Snarkers who hate the book with Cadbury's chocolate.

Vintage books tweeted today about how they've bought the 'Fifty Shades of Grey' series. I assume this is the UK rights but correct me on that if I'm wrong.

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Post  mrinsouciance on Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:54 pm

My understanding is you're brilliant, but you're only in it for the money. Bittersweet; much like a chocolate silk pie one would find in the fridge.

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Post  Gallifrey Girl on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:11 pm

Am I leaping too far ahead that I've already started casting the inevitable movie version in my head? Maybe Emma Stone and something by Frigidaire?

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Post  laddical on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:14 pm

Series?

SERIES?

FUCKING SERIES????

Between this and Wesley Crusher: Teenage Fuck Machine tearing up the Kindle charts I think I'm pretty much ready to end it all and take as many fanfic writers as possible with me.
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Post  Cutebutpsycho on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:18 pm

QueenSix wrote:I've decided the hell with actual job hunting, I am going to write what will be a massively successful series about me and the fridge. Except that the fridge will actually be a human man in the book (because I'm not sure I could outcrazy Mrs Snape and her astral plane romance and Mrs Berlin Wall) but he'll be tall and well built (like a fridge freezer) with a cool interior but that's only because he hasn't met me and I have not switched on his inner light yet. The whole book will be about me 'defrosting' that interior (see what I did there) and there will probably be a lot of food porn or descriptions of sandwiches so we'll be taking lots of picnics with sexy results.

I am also going to create sock puppets all over the internet who will proclaim how great the book is and how I am a genius but there will be a few of them who go on about how I'm only in it for the money, just to alleviate suspicion.
I will be buying off any Snarkers who hate the book with Cadbury's chocolate.

Vintage books tweeted today about how they've bought the 'Fifty Shades of Grey' series. I assume this is the UK rights but correct me on that if I'm wrong.

I hate this. Where is my chocolate?
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Post  VictorLaszlo on Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:26 pm

And I can think of many euphemisms for penis. But I'm a dork.
I see what you did there.

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Post  Miss Moneypenny on Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:03 pm

VictorLaszlo wrote:
And I can think of many euphemisms for penis. But I'm a dork.
I see what you did there.

I will never be able to hear "euphemisms for penis" without thinking of this scene.
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Post  Luthien on Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:03 pm

Wesley Crusher: Teenage Fuck Machine tearing up the Kindle charts I think I'm pretty much ready to end it all and take as many fanfic writers as possible with me.

What? What? Oh lord, I looked. No, NO NO, bad fandom! You go sit in the corner and think about what you've done! My eyes . . .

How is Paramount not suing this "author"? And how is the 50 Shades of Grey author suddenly more successful than anyone who called herself "snowqueen icedragon" online should ever be?

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Post  punkysdilemma on Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:46 pm

That one is at least partially Regretsy's fault, right? I mean it wasn't actually being purchased by people who were legitimately interested? Ye gods?
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Post  Cynara on Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:35 pm

Isn't the Wesley Crusher one free on Kindle? I mean, it's entirely feasible that this spike in sales would not have happened if it cost actual human money. I'm guessing it's 99.9% for the lulz. However, there is no excuse for Fifty Shades of Grey. I read maybe three pages of it (when it was still fanfic) through a forest of LJ links and...I literally could not. It was so. bad.

ETA: OK, it's free if you have Prime, 2.99 if you don't. But a LOT of people have Prime. Also, I can't IMAGINE a C&D smiting and a legal fight wouldn't follow over any profits she might be making.

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Post  swsa on Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:39 pm

Also, for those who may remember, yes, this was the wank where it all got started.
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Post  big chicken on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:02 am

punkysdilemma wrote:That one is at least partially Regretsy's fault, right? I mean it wasn't actually being purchased by people who were legitimately interested? Ye gods?

Wesley Crusher himself, aka Wil Wheaton, tweeted about it making a joke about how he didn't need to read the book because he had lived it except for the part where he was a teenage fuck machine.

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Post  MtOlivePickles on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:18 am

swsa wrote:Also, for those who may remember, yes, this was the wank where it all got started.

I love that it was the writer responsible for unicorns that did that.

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Post  Escape on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:53 pm

Miss Moneypenny wrote:
xyzzy wrote:
Wait, isn't the whole point of BDSM that both people enjoy it? Otherwise isn't it just...sexual abuse?
Exactly.

Yeah, I just read the DA review, and it sounds all sorts of fucked up. Say what you will about Twilight, at the very least Bella knew what she was getting into and gave enthusiastic consent. The whole NDA/contract (WTF?!) thing puts this right on the edge of sex slavery. Yuck.

So, I read all three of them last weekend. Well, technically by the time I got to book 3 I was skimming... a lot.

I will say that the NDA/contract stuff wasn't as bad as it's made out to be. In the end, I think, they didn't end up with a contact at all and she did get into the whole BDSM thing more. And this "Bella" did know what she was getting into by the time she actually got into it and was consenting, so...

What's cracking me up is that the Twilight fandom is SO up in arms about the fact that it got a start as fanfic and the fandom isn't getting any mention. I keep saying that by the third book, it's SO BAD that they should count their lucky stars that they're not mentioned in connection with it.

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Post  oxymoron on Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:48 pm

Oh my God... does this mean that if I ever write that epic mpreg-gay mandragon fanfic crossover between NCIS and the Law and Order-verse, that I could publish it* and make money?

*Not under my real name, God knows... I have dignity.

For those who don't know, "gay mandragon" thing was inspired by this fanfic.

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Post  mrinsouciance on Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:45 pm

oxymoron wrote:*Not under my real name, God knows... I have dignity.

Mm-hm. Sure ya do.

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Post  Cutebutpsycho on Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:20 am

Dignity is overrated.
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Post  PrincessCleo on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:44 am

Let's not forget, you know how someone here posted a Twilight fanfic excerpt involving a tampon? It's THAT FIC. That just got a seven-figure deal. That is a thing that happened.

I'll be honest, a NYT Magazine reporter emailed to ask me about the fandom aspects, and I sent him back a few educational links. If that wank entry had had any independently verifiable statements, I would have sent him that too. I basically told him that all the morning shows are distracted by the erotica (GASP) angle, and the real story is the copyright issue. Apparently Jane at Dear Author fed the book and the fic into Turnitin, and they're 89% similar, not the vastly different revision Vintage is claiming.
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Post  Gilraen on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:59 am

The copyright aspect doesn't actually bother me. While the legality of fan fiction as a general matter is pretty debatable, I think the legal case for it being fair use under the copyright act (in the U.S.) is not terrible. And when you get to fanfiction that only takes the names of the characters and then makes every other aspect different, it gets even stronger. And then when you change the names for the version that's actually commercial (which I agree would be a serious problem as to the legality of actual fanfic), pretty much every aspect is different. I mean, it's not like Edward and Bella are particularly well-fleshed out and identifiable characters, and Stephanie Meyer can't copyright "adorkable klutz falls for creepy stalker." So it seems markedly different from trying to write and sell a straight out sequel to Twilight or something like that.


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Post  PrincessCleo on Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:07 pm

boutros boutros kitty wrote:I never read the Twilight books. Is this what they are like?

Well, Edward's kind of controlling, and in the first book he grabs her by the hood because "he wasn't done with her yet" (Midnight Sun version), but the actual Twilight books are mostly about Bella chasing him around the bed begging for sex while he meebles about his virtue being the only thing he has left, so... no. Even in Breaking Dawn, he breaks the bed and bruises her only because he's too strong, and is so horrified the morning after that he refuses to have sex again. Meanwhile, Bella's now chasing him around an entire island all MOAR!!! So... no. Not much like Twilight.
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Post  Snarryfan on Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:16 pm

I am going to write an erotic novel about the adorable stalker who falls for the creepy klutz. Millions, I tell you, I will make millions!

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Post  PrincessCleo on Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:36 pm

You know, the interesting thing is that I don't really think the story itself is terribly similar--it's so out of character, for one. Maybe "copyright" isn't the word for it--it's more that she's leveraging her popularity in the fandom to publish a book where they can all just mentally substitute Twilight character names. Which is mostly what I pointed out to the guy.

However, someone was also making a list of similarities to Twilight, not just between the fic and the book version, and it was pointed out that it was nearly as many as in the White Wolf/Underworld movies lawsuit. So I don't know. I don't see this so much as "She's bad and her book is bad and she should feel bad" as "copyright law still has some really grey areas, and some really interesting things might happen this time around." If she had never posted this as fanfic--even admitting her inspiration when she published her book--I don't know that it would be even half as problematic.
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Post  QueenSix on Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:48 pm

I can't remember, has Stephenie Meyer ever come out and said anything about disliking fanfic? Because if she's aware of the fact that this was once a fanfic, and I think she was told about the original story (correct me on that if I'm wrong, please), would there be a case for her to put the kibosh on this or at least try to? Or demand money or just be very annoying about it?

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