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Post  Luthien on Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:59 pm

Now that images are coming out on the new Star Trek movie, we need a thread to contain my glee, and all the other Trek movies, too. I'm very excited for the new movie, even if I'm not a big fan of Paddy Joe Cumberband, as he shall forever now be known in my head (thanks, QueenSix!). I guess he's not playing Khan? There's no way they could keep that from leaking. And they probably wouldn't want to reuse such an iconic villain. Villains are something they need to work on for the new one: Nero was fine but not all that memorable. I find myself often forgetting the outside conflict in light of the origin stories being set up. Which is fine; I love a good origin story.

I'm 26 years late to the party, but yesterday I saw "Star Trek: The Voyage Home" for the first time. (In my defense, I was seven when the movie came out). I've now seen three Trek movies: Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and this one. They seem to form a trilogy, though I know the series goes on beyond these. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed Voyage Home. Everyone's acting was great, and the "time travel to save the whales and the future" plot didn't seem silly while I was watching, so good job on suspension of disbelief. I'd heard it was the most mainstream-accessible of the movies, and it certainly worked for me. It was hilarious! Practically all Spock's dialogue in 1986 was priceless, especially his not-quite-grasp on "colourful metaphors":

"They like you very much, but they are not the hell your whales."
"And I suppose they told you that?!"
"The hell they did."

(Dude, that marine biologist was the mom from Seventh Heaven! Is everybody in Star Trek somewhere? Is it like Doctor Who for American actors?)

It's definitely my favourite of the Star Trek series, excepting the new one which I also love, but it seems almost like separate series. I expected to like Wrath of Khan more than I actually did, since it's held up as not only the best Trek movie, but one of the best sci-fi movies ever. And it was good, I liked it, but it didn't blow me away. Except Ricardo Montalban: he was awesome. I've never seen the episode he was in on the original show to start all this, and he was still awesome.

Will have to dig out my Star Trek unbobbleheads from Burger King.

I still have mine! I'd completely forgotten about them, but I know I still have them somewhere! It took me forever to get Bones. I had Chekov and Spock, too.

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Post  laddical on Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:02 pm

Dude, that marine biologist was the mom from Seventh Heaven!

I used to joke that both of the Camden parents had gotten screwed by Kirk. (The dad played the captain of the Enterprise that Kirk effectively demoted so that he could get command of the ship back in The Motion Picture).
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Post  QueenSix on Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:13 pm

Luthien wrote:Now that images are coming out on the new Star Trek movie, we need a thread to contain my glee, and all the other Trek movies, too. I'm very excited for the new movie, even if I'm not a big fan of Paddy Joe Cumberband, as he shall forever now be known in my head (thanks, QueenSix!).

Blame my mother! She's hopeless with actors names and film titles. Though I suspect it's less a case of "can't remember" and more "couldn't be arsed to remember when there's me to do it for her.

I've always loved The Voyage Home. It's just such good fun, from McCoy's conversations with Spock on the ship, prior to coming to the 20th century, to Chekov asking a police officer where they keep the "nuclear wessels"!

I have great affection for The Undiscovered Country as well. I think it's a great film. I like the way they deal with the whole Klingon/Humans thing after them being the villains of the previous pictures. Oh, and everytime Wrath of Kahn is on, I stop to watch. Every time.

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Post  bookworm on Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:30 pm

My favorite is Voyage Home. It was so light and funny!
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Post  Luthien on Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:18 pm

Chekov asking a police officer where they keep the "nuclear wessels"!

I thought I was going to fall over laughing at that part. I had no idea what the plot of the movie actually was before I sat down to watch it, other than "WHALES IN SPAAACCE!" A Russian guy from the future walking around asking for nuclear wessels during the Cold War, that was priceless. Original Chekov is almost as adorable as wittle Anton Yelchin who I loved in the reboot (I hadn't seen the original series at that point). That scene where he's interrogated after being caught in the navy ship was hilarious.

I have great affection for The Undiscovered Country as well.

I should try this one sometime. I don't know anything about it, but it's an even number, right?

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Post  big chicken on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:06 pm

You should watch the ST: The Final Frontier. Just don't expect it to be a good movie. Shatner directed it and it's full of unintentional comedy. I think this is the one where Uhura distracts some guards with fan dancing.

The Undiscovered Country is great especially when you compare it to its predecessor. It also serves as a bit of a bridge to TNG. I wish the TNG crew had been featured in better movies. First Contact is the only good one, I can't even remember the plots of the last two.


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Post  laddical on Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:59 pm

There's a lot to like in Nemesis - it could have been a very good movie. Unfortunately, a lot of the Shinzon storyline - the "good part" of the movie - is hampered by trying so hard to be TNG's Wrath of Khan. And then on the "absolute crap part" of the movie you've got yet another stupid, fucking Data subplot that involves the seemingly random discovery of yet another Soongh-type android that looks just like Data.
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Post  QueenSix on Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:20 pm

I LOVE First Contact. I dunno, I just find it a very exciting film and the Borg Queen is inspired. I like Nemesis too. Hello, young Tom Hardy, and big wave to Ron Perlman! The Data subplot isn't my favourite part but I do love Brent Spiner so I'm conflicted.

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Post  RiverThames on Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:45 pm

The best part of Nemesis is the interview with Levar and Marina where they're being super catty about how awful the director was.
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Post  big chicken on Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:57 pm

I had a moment of panic there. I thought Jonathan Frakes had directed Nemesis but it turns out he directed First Contact.

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Post  bookworm on Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:43 pm

Frakes appears to be a decent director. I saw the play Red last weekend, and the playwright was the same person who wrote Nemesis. When I saw that my expectations of the play went down a little.
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Post  Raksha on Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:43 pm

bookworm wrote:Frakes appears to be a decent director. I saw the play Red last weekend, and the playwright was the same person who wrote Nemesis. When I saw that my expectations of the play went down a little.

Frakes is a great director. He directs a lot of Leverage episodes and is always great at that. Plus, his DVD commentaries on the episodes are hilarioius. He also directed one of the best episode of Dollhouse ("Belonging").


I am so ridiculously excited for the new movie! It's been a family tradition since, like, I was born that my mother and I go see the new Star Trek movies on their opening day. She even used to pull me out of school to go see them, if she had to. Sadly, we couldn't see the opening of the last one because my grandmother (who is blind and has severe dementia) was living with us at the time and one of us had to stay with her 24/7, so mom went alone. But now there's a new one coming out, with bonus surprise Sherlock!
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Post  dionneshea on Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:55 am

Undiscovered Country is my absolute favourite. Christopher Plummer is the bad guy! That makes it awesome just right there. And he goes about spouting Shakespeare, harkening back to the days when he and Shatner did Stratford together. Just incredible. Plus, it had Christian Slater in a cameo, and that sent my heart all atwitter.

I love The Voyage Home, just for all of the great location shooting in The Bay Area. And it was the most intentionally funny. The aforementioned Chekov scene is maybe my favourite scene in all of the Star Trek movies.
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Post  BrightEyes on Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:10 am

The new pictures have re-kindled my love. CANNOT. CONTAIN. MY EXCITEMENT!

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Post  chibimanda on Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:47 pm

I am also extremely excited for the new Star Trek movie, but my excitement also comes from watching the fan reactions and kerfluffles that are bound to happen on the internet. I mean come on, Benedict Cumberbatch AND Star Trek? I have only just recently come into the Sherlock fandom (and I'm way out on the fringes), but some of those fans are nuts. Cumberbitches and Star Trek. Just think of all the gifs and fanvids that are going to come from all of this! I can't wait.
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Post  Luthien on Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:17 pm

In the ten minutes it took me between finding a video showing the Spock/Antagonist played by Cumberbatch fight, watching the video, then coming here to post the link, the video has been taken down! *shakes fist* KHAAANN! (Seems more appropriate than NOOO!--those are for Star Wars). It must have been from an entertainment show or website, because there was a narrator talking over the footage. It was very cool-looking! It was
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a huge no-holds barred beatdown, with Spock coming off the worst. You can see that in the leaked pictures, but the video had it all live. There was also footage of Quinto's stunt double, though there wasn't a double for Cumberbatch shown that I noticed, and J. J. Abrams.

ETA: Just as I was posting, I found another working link. No narrator on this one. Watch before it vanishes, too!

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Post  The Dude on Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:36 pm

dionneshea wrote:Undiscovered Country is my absolute favourite. Christopher Plummer is the bad guy! That makes it awesome just right there. And he goes about spouting Shakespeare, harkening back to the days when he and Shatner did Stratford together.

Shatner? Doing Shakespeare?! I would sell one of my kidneys to see Shatspeare.

Benedict Cumberbatch sounds like some Upper Class British porn star.

So if Khan is the villain is there anyway Pine will not scream "KKKKKKHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!!"?
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Post  Agent Sculder on Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:08 am

Maybe Khan's not the bad guy after all . . .

It sounds like Karl Urban may have accidentally spilled the beans about the character that Benedict Cumberbatch is playing in the sequel.

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Post  Cutebutpsycho on Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:22 am

I'm just glad it's not Kahn. The whitewashing would've annoyed the piss out of me.

And I'm personally of the opinion he's playing a mutated Tribble.
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Post  Luthien on Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:48 am

That makes a lot of sense, especially given the leaked footage where Cumberbatch is in a uniform, and appears to be strong enough to take down a Vulcan. I'm willing to bet it's the truth. Will J. J. Abrams have Karl Urban punished for leaking information? After all, he had a conniption when the footage got out. Can't kick him off the franchise, what with him channeling DeForest Kelley from beyond the grave. The spin-off Star Trek comics IDW has been putting out, redoing original series episodes in the new continuity, already did a version of this story, but I can't see that stopping the movie itself. Maybe they did it on purpose to throw everyone off. I feel a little bad, but I'm really hoping Chris Pine gets to knock the snot out of Cumberbatch. I am sick of him as Sherlock popping up everywhere online; not his fault, but it would be one in the eye for his crazy fans to see their beloved get his ass handed to him.

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Post  Cutebutpsycho on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:52 pm

Not your fault at all. I just have this image of him sniveling and its making me laugh more than I should be.

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Post  Poubelle on Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:08 pm

I'm glad he's not Khan as much for the whitewashing as for the fact that they already did a great job with Khan when he first showed up in a movie. Do something different! Like you did for the last movie! (I mean, if they're doing a storyline that's been done, at least it was in a different medium, and not something that's not only the same medium but considered one of the best things to come out of the franchise.)

And I'm personally of the opinion he's playing a mutated Tribble.
Now THAT would be spot-on casting.

I'm sort of waiting for some lengthy Tumblr post on why Cummerbund is so much more attractive than Chris Fine, who is actually really ugly and the rest of the world is just deluded. I can see it happening. And getting twenty-three zillion notes.
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Post  Esseilte on Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:38 pm

I wanted him to be Khan, mainly because I felt like they could have done more with that character and with his relationship with Kirk (not THAT kind of relationship, although you know someone has written it) and it all just turned into a bit of a mess. I'd love to see Cumberbatch play Khan.
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Post  Kiran on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:14 pm

As an East Indian I would find that incredibly irresponsible and reprehensible. I am so glad hes not playing Khan, when there are so many Indian actors who could play the role. Even in the 1970s that was horribly problematic. And at least Montalban had melanin as sketch as HIS casting was.
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Post  Cutebutpsycho on Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:24 pm

Agreed. Whitewashing is just kind of oogy for me and the origins of Kahn, from what little I know, indicate East Indian and Sikhism (if I'm wrong, correct me please).

And Kahn's the most famous villain. I'd rather have something else. Like space otters.
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